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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    doogie said:

    So, what is the point of this fake Russians Must Have Hacked the Election charade?

    To distract from Hillary's crimes and how they cheated to lose to the election.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,726 Founders Club
    PurpleJ said:

    doogie said:

    So, what is the point of this fake Russians Must Have Hacked the Election charade?

    To distract from Hillary's crimes and how they cheated to lose to the election.
    Kind of like the LA detectives framing a guilty OJ
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    PurpleJ said:

    doogie said:

    So, what is the point of this fake Russians Must Have Hacked the Election charade?

    To distract from Hillary's crimes and how they cheated to lose to the election.
    Your @doogie imitation is SAD!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    PurpleJ said:

    doogie said:

    So, what is the point of this fake Russians Must Have Hacked the Election charade?

    To distract from Hillary's crimes and how they cheated to lose to the election.
    Read Throbbers post.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    It seems my response generated a lot of interest in a short period of time.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    AlCzervik said:

    There are numerous links between Trump's campaign and Russia. Speculation about the extent and nature of those links is currently pointless but we do need to find out about them. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to Trump.

    So you agree that Trump being elected President had nothing to do with Russia then.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    You missed the point of my post.
    Keeping that secret and going public with a worthless investigation into some emails a week before that isn't political?
    If Clinton would have won, they wouldn't be so worthless.
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    salemcoog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    There are numerous links between Trump's campaign and Russia. Speculation about the extent and nature of those links is currently pointless but we do need to find out about them. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to Trump.

    So you agree that Trump being elected President had nothing to do with Russia then.
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    Again ... I don't know yet. I'd like to. When you have a team of naive incompetents on one side and experienced intelligence operatives on the other ... this concerns me.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
    edited March 2017
    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    AlCzervik said:

    salemcoog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    There are numerous links between Trump's campaign and Russia. Speculation about the extent and nature of those links is currently pointless but we do need to find out about them. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to Trump.

    So you agree that Trump being elected President had nothing to do with Russia then.
    image

    Again ... I don't know yet. I'd like to. When you have a team of naive incompetents on one side and experienced intelligence operatives on the other ... this concerns me.
    So you don't know and I'm the dense one.



    Got it.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



    So you are a hypocrite.

    Try to depreciate your construction on your next tax return and let me know how that turns out.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Dude61 said:

    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


    You are fucking retarded.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Dude61 said:

    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
    edited March 2017
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



    So you are a hypocrite.

    Try to depreciate your construction on your next tax return and let me know how that turns out.
    You quite literally might be the dumbest motherfucker on this planet.

    I guaran-fucking-tee you I put this on a tax return it would sale right through. I already beat the shit out of you on this argument.


    noun
    1.
    the act or art of constructing.
    2.
    the way in which a thing is constructed:
    a building of solid construction.
    3.
    something that is constructed; a structure.


    And you might also want to do some critical thinking because being a 'hypocrite' has nothing to do with this discussion.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



    So you are a hypocrite.

    Try to depreciate your construction on your next tax return and let me know how that turns out.
    You quite literally might be the dumbest motherfucker on this planet.

    I guaran-fucking-tee you I put this on a tax return it would sale right through. I already beat the shit out of you on this argument.


    noun
    1.
    the act or art of constructing.
    2.
    the way in which a thing is constructed:
    a building of solid construction.
    3.
    something that is constructed; a structure.


    And you might also want to do some critical thinking because being a 'hypocrite' has nothing to do with this discussion.

    https://www.irs.gov/uac/about-publication-946

    Do you think the IRS gives a shit about what Webster's dictionary says? If you depreciate a building, you are good. If you put construction, you are fucked.

    You scream "due process" about Trump but call Hillary a criminal even tho zero charges have been filed against her, let alone a conviction. That is hypocrisy. Dumbfuck.
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    salemcoog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    salemcoog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    There are numerous links between Trump's campaign and Russia. Speculation about the extent and nature of those links is currently pointless but we do need to find out about them. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to Trump.

    So you agree that Trump being elected President had nothing to do with Russia then.
    image

    Again ... I don't know yet. I'd like to. When you have a team of naive incompetents on one side and experienced intelligence operatives on the other ... this concerns me.
    So you don't know and I'm the dense one.



    Got it.
    Nobody on this board knows yet you fucking retard.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



    So you are a hypocrite.

    Try to depreciate your construction on your next tax return and let me know how that turns out.
    You quite literally might be the dumbest motherfucker on this planet.

    I guaran-fucking-tee you I put this on a tax return it would sale right through. I already beat the shit out of you on this argument.


    noun
    1.
    the act or art of constructing.
    2.
    the way in which a thing is constructed:
    a building of solid construction.
    3.
    something that is constructed; a structure.


    And you might also want to do some critical thinking because being a 'hypocrite' has nothing to do with this discussion.

    https://www.irs.gov/uac/about-publication-946

    Do you think the IRS gives a shit about what Webster's dictionary says? If you depreciate a building, you are good. If you put construction, you are fucked.

    You scream "due process" about Trump but call Hillary a criminal even tho zero charges have been filed against her, let alone a conviction. That is hypocrisy. Dumbfuck.
    Don't twist.

    Don't backtrack.

    Definitely don't backtrack and twist.

    Go back to tick tick tick marks.



  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



    So you are a hypocrite.

    Try to depreciate your construction on your next tax return and let me know how that turns out.
    You quite literally might be the dumbest motherfucker on this planet.

    I guaran-fucking-tee you I put this on a tax return it would sale right through. I already beat the shit out of you on this argument.


    noun
    1.
    the act or art of constructing.
    2.
    the way in which a thing is constructed:
    a building of solid construction.
    3.
    something that is constructed; a structure.


    And you might also want to do some critical thinking because being a 'hypocrite' has nothing to do with this discussion.

    https://www.irs.gov/uac/about-publication-946

    Do you think the IRS gives a shit about what Webster's dictionary says? If you depreciate a building, you are good. If you put construction, you are fucked.

    You scream "due process" about Trump but call Hillary a criminal even tho zero charges have been filed against her, let alone a conviction. That is hypocrisy. Dumbfuck.
    Don't twist.

    Don't backthepack.

    Definitely don't backthepack and twist.

    Go back to tick tick tick marks.



  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,726 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


    You are fucking retarded.
    Not a rebuttal
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,726 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    Dude61 said:

    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


    image
    Not a rebuttal
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    AZDuck said:

    Dude61 said:

    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


    image
    Not a rebuttal
    Not a rebuttal
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    What we learned from Comey's testimony yesterday:

    1. Comey did not receive information inside the FBI to support Trumps claim that Obama wiretapped him. Not evidence, but information.

    2. Under FISA, identities of US citizens are masked during surveillance, but 100 people including people from the former Obama administration have the ability to unmask and reveal identities.

    3. Comey admits there have been a lot of classified leaks since Trump took office.

    4. Comey will not be investigating the 100 people that have the ability to unmask identities during FISA surveillance and thereby leak classified information about specific people.

    I still stand by my claim Comey is covering up criminal activity from the former Obama administration.


    You are fucking retarded.
    Not a rebuttal
    Not a rebuttal
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited March 2017
    AlCzervik said:

    salemcoog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    salemcoog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    There are numerous links between Trump's campaign and Russia. Speculation about the extent and nature of those links is currently pointless but we do need to find out about them. I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to Trump.

    So you agree that Trump being elected President had nothing to do with Russia then.
    image

    Again ... I don't know yet. I'd like to. When you have a team of naive incompetents on one side and experienced intelligence operatives on the other ... this concerns me.
    So you don't know and I'm the dense one.



    Got it.
    EverybodyNobody on this earth knows yet you except fucking retards like you and Hondo..
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    a bigger scandal though than any russian hack was that one campaign was under criminal investigation since july.

    The public was not informed of it prior to the election. But they were of another.

    Actually -it's not.

    In this country there's an overriding presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt. It keeps the government from becoming a police state or a political tool. It also keeps the government from publicizing every fucking person they are investigating so as not to look like dumbshits once all the facts of the case are presented.

    This is why there are lawyers and shit. And legal procedure and courts of appeal and a third branch of government to keep the other two in line.

    Truly - HTH. LIFPO.

    From the person that calls Hillary a criminal.
    Nice deflection technique. That has nothing to do with the fact that there is due process in both the accusation phase and the judgment phase of this country's legal system. I can call whomever I want a criminal - I'm not entrusted with a legal code of ethics or bound by the public trust to conduct myself in such a manner. Or do I need to go into a full-on diatribe about how she is a public figure and subject to different standards as to what Joe Blow can and can't say about her?

    So by your response, I take it to under that you believe that prosecutors and police organizations should be able to publicize their allegations with impunity? Nice. Very nice.

    Or do you want to talk about construction being depreciable again?



    So you are a hypocrite.

    Try to depreciate your construction on your next tax return and let me know how that turns out.
    You quite literally might be the dumbest motherfucker on this planet.

    I guaran-fucking-tee you I put this on a tax return it would sale right through. I already beat the shit out of you on this argument.


    noun
    1.
    the act or art of constructing.
    2.
    the way in which a thing is constructed:
    a building of solid construction.
    3.
    something that is constructed; a structure.


    And you might also want to do some critical thinking because being a 'hypocrite' has nothing to do with this discussion.

    https://www.irs.gov/uac/about-publication-946

    Do you think the IRS gives a shit about what Webster's dictionary says? If you depreciate a building, you are good. If you put construction, you are fucked.

    You scream "due process" about Trump but call Hillary a criminal even tho zero charges have been filed against her, let alone a conviction. That is hypocrisy. Dumbfuck.
    Thanks for the enlightenment Mr Auditor. Er... wait this week you are an emissary for Muslim and Buddhist clerics. I forgot.

    Who's the dumb guy now???
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    edited March 2017
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Obama is a piece of shit.

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