IMO, last night's game was a black eye for Justin Wilcox
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Wilcox game plan in that game was very similar to Baer and Holt. Just sit back and let them kick your ass.
It kind of killed the Wilcox myth on here then ASU ensured that myth would die. -
And Wilcox came up with a Stanfordish defensive front seven(DLs+LBs) when? Certainly didn't have it four weeks ago at least that I could notice, so will it show-up against Colorado this evening?TierbsHsotBoobs said:Oregon's offense can be handled after all.
Stanford's defensive front did show the world of college football that Oregon's QB is perhaps human when pressured, but there was more to Oregon's demise than that.
Far more than just defense, Stanford's offense showed me (again) that Oregon can be beat with a ball control ground grinding offense that with almost every snap sends a message to the guys across the line of scrimmage that here "we come to pound you into the turf again.... and again.... and again". It's so much less difficult for any DC, even less capable than Wilcox, to stop the no-huddle hurry-up 80-play Oregon attack when the duck offense is on the sideline for 40 of those plays watching the other guy's offense poind the shit out of the clock.
Rather than wonder why Wilcox's defense couldn't stop Oregon while watching last night's game, I was (again) wondering why Sark didn't run the ball more against the ducks, but then all he has is an excellent RB and one can only wonder how much more excellent Bishop Sankey would be operating behind a Stanfordish OL. Obviously, we're reminded again that Oregon is beatable, but not by SarkBall....... not even close.
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we should wait til Wilcox gets his guys in before we start assessing his D
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It was a bad performance by Wilcox, but Tailgater has a point. Every team that has stopped Oregon has a great DL. We have two above average guys in Shelton and Kikaha and a bunch of guys who wouldn't sniff the field at Stanford. Our LB's aren't as good as Stanford's either. If we are still getting gashed on defense in a year or two, the answer will be evident, but Sark fucked up the team by failing to get good OL and DL recruits.
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Miles Jack wouldn't start here until his 5th year, so I guess he'd never start at Stanford.RoadDawg55 said:It was a bad performance by Wilcox, but Tailgater has a point. Every team that has stopped Oregon has a great DL. We have two above average guys in Shelton and Kikaha and a bunch of guys who wouldn't sniff the field at Stanford. Our LB's aren't as good as there's either. If we are still getting gashed on defense in a year or two, the answer will be evident, but Sark fucked up the team by failing to get good OL and DL recruits.
Doog snark aside, yryk
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Speaking of LB's is it me or does it seem like Shaq Thompson has regressed since last year?
I mean he's still good but I think he looked better last year.
Feeney has regressed for sure and Timu is still missing tackles like he always has. -
1) The blueprint for beating Oregon has been known for a while - problem is that not many have the Jimmy's and Joe's to do it.
2) Wilcox has shown that he's a good, but not great, DC with lots of room for growth still
3) Why more teams/LBs don't do what Skov was doing all night last night by blowing up the middle of the line by timing the snap count (since it's painfully obvious when each team in the shotgun is going to snap the ball) is beyond me ... it's Section14aFS that more don't do it
4) Stanford once again showed that the game is won in the trenches and not with track athletes running all over the place
5) Why was I not surprised to hear during the game that Mariota had a MCL sprain as an "excuse" for his struggles? -
I was thinking similarly. I don't think Shaq has regressed, but he didn't make a huge leap. He isn't getting better as the season goes along either. Feeney has regressed. Fuimaono does his best, but he is undersized and slow. Timu is a doog legend, but he's pretty average. Compare Timu to Skov or Zumwalt on UCLA. It was a very overrated unit going into the season. I don't think they are bad, but they aren't even close to as good as the doog pre season hype.He_Needs_More_Time said:Speaking of LB's is it me or does it seem like Shaq Thompson has regressed since last year?
I mean he's still good but I think he looked better last year.
Feeney has regressed for sure and Timu is still missing tackles like he always has.
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We need some shitty defensive performances to get Sark's seat hot.
As pathetic as it is, Sark may keep his job because Woodtard & others are afraid to let go of their big investment in Wilcox & others. -
Look at the three five stars that Sark has brought in with Kasen, ASJ and Shaq.
Have any of those blue chippers gotten better since their freshman year? I don't think so. Kasen's stats were better but that doesn't necessarily mean he improved.
ASJ has regressed this year and is no longer the weapon that he was.
Shaq I'd say has a slight regression because he hasn't improved. If you stay the same you are getting worse IMO.
The lack of player development which has plagued this program more than recruiting has the past decade is still rather obvious here. Sure you have guys making great leaps like Sankey but as a whole the lack of player development pisses me off.
Why can't anyone else see that? I mean the recruiting rankings/talent on this team has improved every year yet we are still the same 7-6 team. Connect the dots already Doogs. -
IrishDawg22 told me that lack of player development under Sark was a myth. And he has this place dialed in.He_Needs_More_Time said:Look at the three five stars that Sark has brought in with Kasen, ASJ and Shaq.
Have any of those blue chippers gotten better since their freshman year? I don't think so. Kasen's stats were better but that doesn't necessarily mean he improved.
ASJ has regressed this year and is no longer the weapon that he was.
Shaq I'd say has a slight regression because he hasn't improved. If you stay the same you are getting worse IMO.
The lack of player development which has plagued this program more than recruiting has the past decade is still rather obvious here. Sure you have guys making great leaps like Sankey but as a whole the lack of player development pisses me off.
Why can't anyone else see that? I mean the recruiting rankings/talent on this team has improved every year yet we are still the same 7-6 team. Connect the dots already Doogs.
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It's not a coincidence he went away when UW lost three in a row and we were all proven right.dnc said:
IrishDawg22 told me that lack of player development under Sark was a myth. And he has this place dialed in.He_Needs_More_Time said:Look at the three five stars that Sark has brought in with Kasen, ASJ and Shaq.
Have any of those blue chippers gotten better since their freshman year? I don't think so. Kasen's stats were better but that doesn't necessarily mean he improved.
ASJ has regressed this year and is no longer the weapon that he was.
Shaq I'd say has a slight regression because he hasn't improved. If you stay the same you are getting worse IMO.
The lack of player development which has plagued this program more than recruiting has the past decade is still rather obvious here. Sure you have guys making great leaps like Sankey but as a whole the lack of player development pisses me off.
Why can't anyone else see that? I mean the recruiting rankings/talent on this team has improved every year yet we are still the same 7-6 team. Connect the dots already Doogs. -
The thing I don't get about Wilcox is that he hasn't been calling many blitzes. Like... pressure up the middle from anywhere and heat from the edge if possible man...
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So reason #5, winning the time of possession is true? Staff? Mods?Tailgater said:
And Wilcox came up with a Stanfordish defensive front seven(DLs+LBs) when? Certainly didn't have it four weeks ago at least that I could notice, so will it show-up against Colorado this evening?TierbsHsotBoobs said:Oregon's offense can be handled after all.
Stanford's defensive front did show the world of college football that Oregon's QB is perhaps human when pressured, but there was more to Oregon's demise than that.
Far more than just defense, Stanford's offense showed me (again) that Oregon can be beat with a ball control ground grinding offense that with almost every snap sends a message to the guys across the line of scrimmage that here "we come to pound you into the turf again.... and again.... and again". It's so much less difficult for any DC, even less capable than Wilcox, to stop the no-huddle hurry-up 80-play Oregon attack when the duck offense is on the sideline for 40 of those plays watching the other guy's offense poind the shit out of the clock.
Rather than wonder why Wilcox's defense couldn't stop Oregon while watching last night's game, I was (again) wondering why Sark didn't run the ball more against the ducks, but then all he has is an excellent RB and one can only wonder how much more excellent Bishop Sankey would be operating behind a Stanfordish OL. Obviously, we're reminded again that Oregon is beatable, but not by SarkBall....... not even close. -
Wilcox knew that for the doogs to continue licking his butthole all he had to do was stop them on the 1st drive. Smart move, no need to actually work and figure out how to stop that offense with the retards as clientele.
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It's only Wilcox's 2nd year. What was the excuse you Mora leg humpers were using again?TierbsHsotBoobs said:Oregon's offense can be handled after all.
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"I've never been complimented more in my life when I lost by 21 points"- Wilcox after the Oregon game.CuntWaffle said:Wilcox knew that for the doogs to continue licking his butthole all he had to do was stop them on the 1st drive. Smart move, no need to actually work and figure out how to stop that offense with the retards as clientele.
I hate our fans. -
Fuck. Even Wilcox is learning how the fan base operates.He_Needs_More_Time said:
"I've never been complimented more in my life when I lost by 21 points"- Wilcox after the Oregon game.CuntWaffle said:Wilcox knew that for the doogs to continue licking his butthole all he had to do was stop them on the 1st drive. Smart move, no need to actually work and figure out how to stop that offense with the retards as clientele.
I hate our fans.
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It must be hard for him to bust his ass watching his "boss" run around town getting drunk and fucking every skank that walks.RoadDawg55 said:
Fuck. Even Wilcox is learning how the fan base operates.He_Needs_More_Time said:
"I've never been complimented more in my life when I lost by 21 points"- Wilcox after the Oregon game.CuntWaffle said:Wilcox knew that for the doogs to continue licking his butthole all he had to do was stop them on the 1st drive. Smart move, no need to actually work and figure out how to stop that offense with the retards as clientele.
I hate our fans. -
I'm sure it is, but having a high salary and great job security for being mediocre in a tough business probably outweighs the negative.He_Needs_More_Time said:
It must be hard for him to bust his ass watching his "boss" run around town getting drunk and fucking every skank that walks.RoadDawg55 said:
Fuck. Even Wilcox is learning how the fan base operates.He_Needs_More_Time said:
"I've never been complimented more in my life when I lost by 21 points"- Wilcox after the Oregon game.CuntWaffle said:Wilcox knew that for the doogs to continue licking his butthole all he had to do was stop them on the 1st drive. Smart move, no need to actually work and figure out how to stop that offense with the retards as clientele.
I hate our fans.
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brb joHe_Needs_More_Time said:
It must be hard for him to bust his ass watching his "boss" run around town getting drunk and fucking every skank that walks.RoadDawg55 said:
Fuck. Even Wilcox is learning how the fan base operates.He_Needs_More_Time said:
"I've never been complimented more in my life when I lost by 21 points"- Wilcox after the Oregon game.CuntWaffle said:Wilcox knew that for the doogs to continue licking his butthole all he had to do was stop them on the 1st drive. Smart move, no need to actually work and figure out how to stop that offense with the retards as clientele.
I hate our fans. -
If we go 1-2 in the next 3 games, why not give Wilcox a shot at coaching the AC and the bowl game? He's starting a former walk-on TE on the DL and still showing more competency on his side of the ball than Sloppy Seven Win Steve is showing on his side!
I bet if we injected Wilcox with a truth serum, he'd say that he'd prefer an offense like Stanford's since it would protect the D and chew up clock. Throw in some highly competent Special Teams (don't let the door hit you on the way-out Johnny Nantard) and we'd come closer than losing to Oregon by 17 points. SSWS has actually regressed against Oregon since he and Nicky Holt "only" lost to Oregon by 17 in 2011 and then lost by 21 this year (didn't even fucking cover). -
No. I like Wilcox, but break away from anything Sark. If the new coach somehow wanted to keep Wilcox, I would be fine with it, but why would we make him our head coach? He will be lucky to get a head coaching job in the Moutain West. We are Washington, dammit!HFNY said:If we go 1-2 in the next 3 games, why not give Wilcox a shot at coaching the AC and the bowl game? He's starting a former walk-on TE on the DL and still showing more competency on his side of the ball than Sloppy Seven Win Steve is showing on his side!
I bet if we injected Wilcox with a truth serum, he'd say that he'd prefer an offense like Stanford's since it would protect the D and chew up clock. Throw in some highly competent Special Teams (don't let the door hit you on the way-out Johnny Nantard) and we'd come closer than losing to Oregon by 17 points. SSWS has actually regressed against Oregon since he and Nicky Holt "only" lost to Oregon by 17 in 2011 and then lost by 21 this year (didn't even fucking cover).
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