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2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.
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    YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,046
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    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Because that's way too logical. What ever the fuck we do, we've got to get away from an employer based system; it makes no god damned sense.

    If anyone has the time for some light reading, this the best piece I've ever read on healthcare reform. TL;DR version is Single Payer for "catastrophic"- i.e., no one goes bankrupt because of a medical issue, and mandatory HSA accounts for everything else to get the consumer to have more influence over pricing in the marketplace. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/how-american-health-care-killed-my-father/307617/
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    HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,954
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    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Math is hard for morons.
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    Because the politicians would lose their donations from the insurance industry
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    1. Take care of yourself

    2. You get sick, you get better or you die.

    3. Lather rinse, repeat

    Until you die.

    A lot of people are unwilling to accept the only 1-1 guarantee on the planet.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Math is hard for morons.
    And the explanation is....
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    Grow up? Take responsibility for your own life?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    doogie said:

    Grow up? Take responsibility for your own life?

    So a health nut gets cancer. It's their fault. Right.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,035
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    I'm still laughing about Hondo asking a serious question....
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    Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
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    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Then doctors don't have to buy insanely expensive malpractice insurance.
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    HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,954
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    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Math is hard for morons.
    And the explanation is....
    The median household income is ~$50k and the average household has 2.6 people. That means you somehow think a govt run healthcare system that covers everything Medicare/Medicaid covers will cost a touch over $1,000 per person.

    Now compare that to what current Medicare or Medicaid actually spends per person.

    Speed limit...
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Math is hard for morons.
    And the explanation is....
    The median household income is ~$50k and the average household has 2.6 people. That means you somehow think a govt run healthcare system that covers everything Medicare/Medicaid covers will cost a touch over $1,000 per person.

    Now compare that to what current Medicare or Medicaid actually spends per person.

    Speed limit...
    Median income? Lol that's awesome. Median income is meaningless in this exercise.

    6% might be too low, but your math isn't close to right.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,221
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    bananasnblondes said:

    dflea said:

    doogie said:

    Grow up? Take responsibility for your own life?

    I like to blame kids with cancer for getting cancer, too.

    I especially like to blame them for not having parents that can pay for their treatment.
    Well if their parents would have been responsible and put their $200 a month into their health savings plan, cancer kid would be able to spend at least 2 and a half days in the hospital.
    And what kind of loser cancer kid picks shitty parents anyhow?
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    HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,954
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    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    2001400ex said:

    Why not just open Medicare to everyone and change the tax to like 6%. You can still buy supplemental insurance if you choose. Keep the private/non profit hospitals and everything else the same. Forget all these stupid rules, tax cuts, insurance subsidies, premiums, etc.

    Math is hard for morons.
    And the explanation is....
    The median household income is ~$50k and the average household has 2.6 people. That means you somehow think a govt run healthcare system that covers everything Medicare/Medicaid covers will cost a touch over $1,000 per person.

    Now compare that to what current Medicare or Medicaid actually spends per person.

    Speed limit...
    Median income? Lol that's awesome. Median income is meaningless in this exercise.

    6% might be too low, but your math isn't close to right.
    Mean income is ~$70k, but only idiots like you don't realize that the wealth that skews it higher isn't salary wealth...it's capital gains, dividends, and such which is handled much differently tax-wise.

    So you are off anywhere from 500% to 900% on your math, which for someone with a speed limit IQ is still pretty bad. But go ahead and tell yourself you have thought about this seriously...

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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,035
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    edited March 2017
    RaceBannon said:

    There was a guy in the 70's who did advertisements for Grape Nuts and was an early fitness guru. Believe it or not America used to be even fatter than it is now. And when guys worked out they had short gym shorts and white tube socks and looked like faggots.

    But I digress, Grape Nut boy dropped dead at a young age.

    Eull Gibbons. "Ever eat a tree"? Race we're old. The other guy was Jim Fix big runner wrote a book and helped start jogging craze. I think Grape Nuts used him too or someone similar. He dropped dead jogging.
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    bananasnblondes said:

    dflea said:

    doogie said:

    Grow up? Take responsibility for your own life?

    I like to blame kids with cancer for getting cancer, too.

    I especially like to blame them for not having parents that can pay for their treatment.
    Well if their parents would have been responsible and put their $200 a month into their health savings plan, cancer kid would be able to spend at least 53 seconds in the hospital.
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    Grow up? Take responsibility for your own life?

    So a health nut gets cancer. It's their fault. Right.
    It happens. Great people of all ages get sick every day. Some get better, some die.
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    dflea said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    dflea said:

    doogie said:

    Grow up? Take responsibility for your own life?

    I like to blame kids with cancer for getting cancer, too.

    I especially like to blame them for not having parents that can pay for their treatment.
    Well if their parents would have been responsible and put their $200 a month into their health savings plan, cancer kid would be able to spend at least 2 and a half days in the hospital.
    And what kind of loser cancer kid picks shitty parents anyhow?
    You've been a big Darwin fan, until now. Why the sudden shift?
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