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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    dhdawg said:

    Trump should have told us he wanted to build up the military and spend a bunch on infrastructure.

    just because they were campaign promises doesn't mean they were feasible.

    Tax Cuts, increases in military, infrastructure, no cuts to entitlements. I'm not one to fear monger about debt but we may actually go belly up if that agenda goes through
    Says the party out of power every time. It may be true but I've heard this since forever.

    Trump is giving everyone want they want with no pain. That's our politics today.

    Cut one penny of an entitlement and watch what happens
    we'll see what happens. this is another good piece on it by the failing NYT
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/us/politics/trump-budget-proposal-republican-ideology.html
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    Trump should have told us he wanted to build up the military and spend a bunch on infrastructure.

    just because they were campaign promises doesn't mean they were feasible.

    Tax Cuts, increases in military, infrastructure, no cuts to entitlements. I'm not one to fear monger about debt but we may actually go belly up if that agenda goes through
    Says the party out of power every time. It may be true but I've heard this since forever.

    Trump is giving everyone want they want with no pain. That's our politics today.

    Cut one penny of an entitlement and watch what happens
    we'll see what happens. this is another good piece on it by the failing NYT
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/us/politics/trump-budget-proposal-republican-ideology.html
    It's almost as if no politician actually wants to cut spending and reduce the deficit.
  • Hippopeteamus
    Hippopeteamus Member Posts: 1,958
    dhdawg said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/trump-seeking-54b-increase-in-defense-spending-cuts-elsewhere.html

    yes. because the country that spends more on the military than the next 7 countries combined needs more military spending.

    but how dare anyone say we can afford universal healthcare.

    He also says he wants to leave entitlements alone and cut taxes. Which will balloon the deficit.

    Even fox admits it.

    "By increasing defense and leaving Medicare and Social Security untouched, the Trump final budget plan is sure to project sizable deficits."

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the freedom caucus

    While yes spending more on the military without cuts or raising taxes would increase the deficit and that might not be a smart idea, I always hate when people use total dollars spent for their comparison instead of GDP. This isn't to say we don't spend a lot, but with respect to the GDP we don't spend that much. Entitlements are about 14% of the GDP while defense is 3.5%.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    dhdawg said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/trump-seeking-54b-increase-in-defense-spending-cuts-elsewhere.html

    yes. because the country that spends more on the military than the next 7 countries combined needs more military spending.

    but how dare anyone say we can afford universal healthcare.

    He also says he wants to leave entitlements alone and cut taxes. Which will balloon the deficit.

    Even fox admits it.

    "By increasing defense and leaving Medicare and Social Security untouched, the Trump final budget plan is sure to project sizable deficits."

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the freedom caucus

    While yes spending more on the military without cuts or raising taxes would increase the deficit and that might not be a smart idea, I always hate when people use total dollars spent for their comparison instead of GDP. This isn't to say we don't spend a lot, but with respect to the GDP we don't spend that much. Entitlements are about 14% of the GDP while defense is 3.5%.
    We don't need to spend 3.5% is the point
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    dhdawg said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/trump-seeking-54b-increase-in-defense-spending-cuts-elsewhere.html

    yes. because the country that spends more on the military than the next 7 countries combined needs more military spending.

    but how dare anyone say we can afford universal healthcare.

    He also says he wants to leave entitlements alone and cut taxes. Which will balloon the deficit.

    Even fox admits it.

    "By increasing defense and leaving Medicare and Social Security untouched, the Trump final budget plan is sure to project sizable deficits."

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the freedom caucus

    While yes spending more on the military without cuts or raising taxes would increase the deficit and that might not be a smart idea, I always hate when people use total dollars spent for their comparison instead of GDP. This isn't to say we don't spend a lot, but with respect to the GDP we don't spend that much. Entitlements are about 14% of the GDP while defense is 3.5%.
    Why do you put Medicare and SS in entitlements? No politician that wants to get reelected is putting meaningful cuts there. Let's look at the percent that little bitch about, like food stamps. Those aren't even 1%.
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/trump-seeking-54b-increase-in-defense-spending-cuts-elsewhere.html

    yes. because the country that spends more on the military than the next 7 countries combined needs more military spending.

    but how dare anyone say we can afford universal healthcare.

    He also says he wants to leave entitlements alone and cut taxes. Which will balloon the deficit.

    Even fox admits it.

    "By increasing defense and leaving Medicare and Social Security untouched, the Trump final budget plan is sure to project sizable deficits."

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the freedom caucus

    While yes spending more on the military without cuts or raising taxes would increase the deficit and that might not be a smart idea, I always hate when people use total dollars spent for their comparison instead of GDP. This isn't to say we don't spend a lot, but with respect to the GDP we don't spend that much. Entitlements are about 14% of the GDP while defense is 3.5%.
    We don't need to spend 3.5% is the point
    This is incorrect and here is why; our Air Force and missile defense systems are extremely outdated.

    Do we need to spend that much every year? No. We do however need to get the F-22 and F-35 projects finished. The F-15/16/18 platforms are Cold War era fighters. The A-10 is post-Vietnam.

    We are unbeatable because of our air superiority. A lot of that has to do with the weapons systems, but the aircraft matters a great deal as well. A single F-22 can take out an average of seven F-15's in a dog fight scenario.

    The F-22 program was scrapped after about 1/3rd of the original order was built and about 1/10th of the F-35's from the original order number have been built.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Mosster47 said:

    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/trump-seeking-54b-increase-in-defense-spending-cuts-elsewhere.html

    yes. because the country that spends more on the military than the next 7 countries combined needs more military spending.

    but how dare anyone say we can afford universal healthcare.

    He also says he wants to leave entitlements alone and cut taxes. Which will balloon the deficit.

    Even fox admits it.

    "By increasing defense and leaving Medicare and Social Security untouched, the Trump final budget plan is sure to project sizable deficits."

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the freedom caucus

    While yes spending more on the military without cuts or raising taxes would increase the deficit and that might not be a smart idea, I always hate when people use total dollars spent for their comparison instead of GDP. This isn't to say we don't spend a lot, but with respect to the GDP we don't spend that much. Entitlements are about 14% of the GDP while defense is 3.5%.
    We don't need to spend 3.5% is the point
    This is incorrect and here is why; our Air Force and missile defense systems are extremely outdated.

    Do we need to spend that much every year? No. We do however need to get the F-22 and F-35 projects finished. The F-15/16/18 platforms are Cold War era fighters. The A-10 is post-Vietnam.

    We are unbeatable because of our air superiority. A lot of that has to do with the weapons systems, but the aircraft matters a great deal as well. A single F-22 can take out an average of seven F-15's in a dog fight scenario.

    The F-22 program was scrapped after about 1/3rd of the original order was built and about 1/10th of the F-35's from the original order number have been built.
    What recent war has warplanes mattered?
  • Hippopeteamus
    Hippopeteamus Member Posts: 1,958
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/trump-seeking-54b-increase-in-defense-spending-cuts-elsewhere.html

    yes. because the country that spends more on the military than the next 7 countries combined needs more military spending.

    but how dare anyone say we can afford universal healthcare.

    He also says he wants to leave entitlements alone and cut taxes. Which will balloon the deficit.

    Even fox admits it.

    "By increasing defense and leaving Medicare and Social Security untouched, the Trump final budget plan is sure to project sizable deficits."

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes over with the freedom caucus

    While yes spending more on the military without cuts or raising taxes would increase the deficit and that might not be a smart idea, I always hate when people use total dollars spent for their comparison instead of GDP. This isn't to say we don't spend a lot, but with respect to the GDP we don't spend that much. Entitlements are about 14% of the GDP while defense is 3.5%.
    We don't need to spend 3.5% is the point
    That may be the case. But using raw totals makes it seems like the US spends a disproportionate percent of its economy on the military compared to other countries, which is not entirely accurate. A large percentage of the budget is basically spent on maintaining the armed forces. 25% of the budget is spent on personnel and 42% is spent on maintenance and operations.
    Now maybe we don't need as big of a military but I wonder if that would not create an opportunity for other nations to act more aggressively. And while it is true that you don't really need an F-22 to bomb ISIS, having quality conventional equipment might be important to deterring future nation state aggressors who have quality Russian and Chinese equipment.