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OT: The original Marinerization

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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    greenblood said:

    Great manager and shit GM = .500 seasons

    Shit manager and great GM = Home playoff games

    Head coaches are extremely important in football and basketball, but in baseball, the GM is the most important position to the franchise for on field performance.

    Nailed it. Head coach is just a face to go with the franchise. GM's are way more important for the success of a baseball team.
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  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    In his five seasons as manager of the Pirates, Lloyd McClendon compiled a 336–446 record.

    Paying to attend Mariner games is the one thing more fucktarded than paying to attend Husky games.

    With marinerization you'd usually want at least a +500 coach. Say, 7-6 year after year. The idea is to keep easily gullible fans in the stands with the hope of "next year will be the one." You have to balance between getting a stable coach that does not take unnecessary risks and losing too much. The bottom line is MONEY. If profit then success, not if win then success. Big Difference
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    Hard to hold his managerial record against him in Pittsburgh ...

    Absolutely agree that a manager is shit without a good GM and backing of ownership ...

    The Mariners at minimum need new direction from ownership ...

    Jack Z probably isn't the answer at GM, and I'd be 100% supportive of moving on from him if there was new ownership and they decided to go in a different direction ... but I can't absolutely 100% say that he's terrible given what he's had to work with.
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  • digits
    digits Member Posts: 1,839
    CuntWaffle said:

    Baseball coaches are pretty worthless when in comes to the MLB. The only thing they do is make the lineup (which is almost the exact same every night) and figure out when to put in a certain pitcher.

    Mariners could have gotten Dusty Baker, Joe Torre, or La Russa and it wouldn't matter because the talent blows. You think this guy that they hired really had anything to do with Miguel Cabrera hitting the shit out of the ball? When you get to the MLB you don't need to be coached on your swing or your fundamentals on defense/pitching. Look at the world series this year, it was a 3rd year head coach vs a 1st year head coach.

    Mariners being worthless is a talent issue, which stems from shitty trade after shitty trade (Adam Jones for Erik Bedard!!!11!) and having horrible scouts when it comes to the draft. Look at some of the players they passed over for fucks like Morrow.

    While I somewhat understand your logic, you lost all creditability when you referred to an MLB manager as a "head coach." I believe they're referred to as Managers in MLB, not head coaches. You probably call home plate, "home base." Christ almighty.

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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    Joe Stephanson said:

    CuntWaffle said:

    Baseball coaches are pretty worthless when in comes to the MLB. The only thing they do is make the lineup (which is almost the exact same every night) and figure out when to put in a certain pitcher.

    Mariners could have gotten Dusty Baker, Joe Torre, or La Russa and it wouldn't matter because the talent blows. You think this guy that they hired really had anything to do with Miguel Cabrera hitting the shit out of the ball? When you get to the MLB you don't need to be coached on your swing or your fundamentals on defense/pitching. Look at the world series this year, it was a 3rd year head coach vs a 1st year head coach.

    Mariners being worthless is a talent issue, which stems from shitty trade after shitty trade (Adam Jones for Erik Bedard!!!11!) and having horrible scouts when it comes to the draft. Look at some of the players they passed over for fucks like Morrow.

    While I somewhat understand your logic, you lost all creditability when you referred to an MLB manager as a "head coach." I believe they're referred to as Managers in MLB, not head coaches. You probably call home plate, "home base." Christ almighty.

    When I played I liked to call it "the dish". I usually referred to the head honcho as "the skipper" as well but I like to mix things up on tuesdays.
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  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,575
    CuntWaffle said:

    Baseball coaches are pretty worthless when in comes to the MLB. The only thing they do is make the lineup (which is almost the exact same every night) and figure out when to put in a certain pitcher.

    Mariners could have gotten Dusty Baker, Joe Torre, or La Russa and it wouldn't matter because the talent blows. You think this guy that they hired really had anything to do with Miguel Cabrera hitting the shit out of the ball? When you get to the MLB you don't need to be coached on your swing or your fundamentals on defense/pitching. Look at the world series this year, it was a 3rd year head coach vs a 1st year head coach.

    Mariners being worthless is a talent issue, which stems from shitty trade after shitty trade (Adam Jones for Erik Bedard!!!11!) and having horrible scouts when it comes to the draft. Look at some of the players they passed over for fucks like Morrow.

    You, my friend, understand how major league baseball works
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    horrible hire, of that list of 5 he was the only one I'd be mad at
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Hiring a black coach who failed at another job. Gee where have I seen this script before?

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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited November 2013
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Hiring a black coach who failed at another job. Gee where have I seen this script before?

    Just more Huskyization of the Mariners.

    The student has become the master.

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    http://seattletimes.com/html/jerrybrewer/2022197770_brewer06xml.html

    What a surprise, Jerry Brewer is recycling his Ty Willingham talking points to defend a loser black coach.

    There’s nothing wrong with this hire. The Mariners chose a good person for their situation. McClendon is a well-respected baseball mind. He has a good history as a hitting coach, which is the Mariners’ weakness. He did a decent job in his first managing gig with the Pittsburgh Pirates. He was fired after posting a .430 winning percentage in five seasons with the previously befuddling Pirates, which is hardly cause for concern. In Joe Torre’s first managing job, he had a .405 winning percentage in five seasons with the New York Mets. Casey Stengel? A .453 winning percentage at his first stop.

    This guy is such a clown for a writer and so predictable too.
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