The Canadian Dream


And so you can basically ask, taking say, all of the kids born in America in the 1980s, “What fraction of the kids born to low-income families actually make it to the top of the income distribution? How much intergenerational mobility is there in America?” In the U.S., if you take, say, the set of children who are born to families in the bottom quintile of the income distribution, in the bottom fifth, about seven-and-a-half percent of those kids make it to the top fifth of the income distribution... it’s useful to start first by thinking about comparisons across countries. So if you look at that number in other countries where we have comparable data, like the United Kingdom, for instance. In the U.K., that number is nine percent. A little bit higher, but not all that much higher. If you go to a place like Canada or Denmark, the number is 13 percent, or 13 and a half percent. That’s quite a bit higher. And it’s useful, in thinking about these numbers, is 13 percent a big number? Well, you have to remember, of course, that no matter what you do, you can’t have more than 20 percent of people in the top 20 percent, right? So the maximum value this statistic can take, I think, is plausibly 20 percent. To put it more precisely, if you lived in a society where your parents played no role at all in determining your outcomes, we’d expect one-fifth of kids to rise from the bottom 20 percent to the top 20 percent. And so relative to that benchmark, that upper bound, if you will, the 13 and a half percent rate in Canada and the seven-and-a-half percent rate in the U.S., that’s a really big difference. It’s almost like you’re twice as likely to realize the American dream of moving up if you’re growing up in Canada rather than the U.S, right?http://freakonomics.com/podcast/american-dream-really-dead/
...Or perhaps more precisely, we should just call it the Canadian Dream instead of the American Dream, if they’re twice as good.
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Yeah, but then you have to watch curling. I'd rather be poor.
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Without any research into the numbers, I would think someone born in 85 is still breaking into whatever industry while their parents are probably just retiring or sitting atop the perch of their career.
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Freakonomics is your source?
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Sounds like you need to dig a little deeper.Doogles said:Without any research into the numbers, I would think someone born in 85 is still breaking into whatever industry while their parents are probably just retiring or sitting atop the perch of their career.
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Let's not be so hasty now...Swaye said:Yeah, but then you have to watch curling. I'd rather be poor.
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She keeps that Plunger thing behind her back for the propitious time - then she rams it in....which might be ok...PurpleThrobber said: -
Looks like Obama really screwed the pooch there.
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The Canadian dream for America is a liberal crossing over to Canada with an illegal under each arm!
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Causation:
Low skilled jobs leave the country, and families then create generations of entitlement households.
Going from a 66 percent labor participation rate to a 62 percent level kind of skews your graph a bit. -
You drunk?greenblood said:Causation:
Low skilled jobs leave the country, and families then create generations of entitlement households.
Going from a 66 percent labor participation rate to a 62 percent level kind of skews your graph a bit. -
Yes, all the timeBennyBeaver said:
You drunk?greenblood said:Causation:
Low skilled jobs leave the country, and families then create generations of entitlement households.
Going from a 66 percent labor participation rate to a 62 percent level kind of skews your graph a bit. -
Depending on which labor force participation they are using in that graph. It's to be expected labor force participation will go down when the baby boomers retire.greenblood said:Causation:
Low skilled jobs leave the country, and families then create generations of entitlement households.
Going from a 66 percent labor participation rate to a 62 percent level kind of skews your graph a bit. -
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
I can see why some people choose to sit on their asses
Some of those stats piss me off
The best:
In 39 states, the welfare rate is higher than the federal minimum wage.
In 6 states, the welfare rate exceeds $12/hr
In 8 States, the welfare rate is more than an average teacher salary
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p70-141.pdf
Another graph showing a 2% point increase in Welfare participation between 09' and 12', couldn't find the last 4 years -
It's almost like welfare reform was undone.greenblood said:http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
I can see why some people choose to sit on their asses
Some of those stats piss me off
The best:
In 39 states, the welfare rate is higher than the federal minimum wage.
In 6 states, the welfare rate exceeds $12/hr
In 8 States, the welfare rate is more than an average teacher salary
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p70-141.pdf
Another graph showing a 2% point increase in Welfare participation between 09' and 12', couldn't find the last 4 years -
I'm curious how they came up with those numbers, the source didn't break it down by state. I'm guessing it's the max possible benefit (combining SSI, SNAP, TANF etc.).greenblood said:http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
I can see why some people choose to sit on their asses
Some of those stats piss me off
The best:
In 39 states, the welfare rate is higher than the federal minimum wage.
In 6 states, the welfare rate exceeds $12/hr
In 8 States, the welfare rate is more than an average teacher salary
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p70-141.pdf
Another graph showing a 2% point increase in Welfare participation between 09' and 12', couldn't find the last 4 years
This table shows the median monthly benefit by demographic.
Teachers make more than $404 a month last time I checked. -
Too many little numbers.
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Then why don't you move to Canada?
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That should set off alarm bells that your news source sucks.greenblood said:http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
I can see why some people choose to sit on their asses
Some of those stats piss me off
The best:
In 39 states, the welfare rate is higher than the federal minimum wage.
In 6 states, the welfare rate exceeds $12/hr
In 8 States, the welfare rate is more than an average teacher salary
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p70-141.pdf
Another graph showing a 2% point increase in Welfare participation between 09' and 12', couldn't find the last 4 years -
DisagreeSwaye said:Yeah, but then you have to watch curling. I'd rather be poor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4stgoS99U
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When you go curling isn't it just an excuse to drink beer and get out of the house