ESPN Article - The rise of UW and USC is good for the PAC-12

PurpleJ said:

creepycoug said:

PurpleJ said:

I didn't read the article because Ted Miller sucks, but his premise is sound. The Pac-12 needs UW and USC. Cream rises. We are the best in the west.

Care to elaborate?

I think I already summed it up. I'm not a guy who writes a lot of dumb words for people to not read. We're #1.

creepycoug said:

The logic for USC is pretty clear, and we didn't really need an article to help us out.

Honestly, joking aside, the guy did a shit job of making his case for Washington. All-time wins? Stadium capacity?

But this is where he really fell down:

USC is the Pac-12's bell cow -- no debating that -- and Washington is a strong No. 2, particularly if one accepts you must look outside of Los Angeles for a No. 2

I dislike UCLA as much as anyone, and Lord knows they are the champs of the "do less with more" crowd, but how does that make sense? Why outside LA?

Then there's the rest of the Washington rationale, almost all of which is based on 1991 going back and stats built by Dobie.

I'm not one for the permanent marker - that's why I fell for the Canes back in the late 70s. You are what you are today and nothing else matters.

Empires rise; and empires fall. Sometimes, they come back. Sometimes, they never do. USC has characteristics that matter which portend their return. Washington, unfortunately, does not have those characteristics.

To me, the Pac 10/12 has always been USC and her little sisters. The numbers don't lie. Washington is not even close to them in any category. It's SC and everyone else, which is more or less how the piece reads.

FremontTroll said:

creepycoug said:

The logic for USC is pretty clear, and we didn't really need an article to help us out.

Honestly, joking aside, the guy did a shit job of making his case for Washington. All-time wins? Stadium capacity?

But this is where he really fell down:

USC is the Pac-12's bell cow -- no debating that -- and Washington is a strong No. 2, particularly if one accepts you must look outside of Los Angeles for a No. 2

I dislike UCLA as much as anyone, and Lord knows they are the champs of the "do less with more" crowd, but how does that make sense? Why outside LA?

Then there's the rest of the Washington rationale, almost all of which is based on 1991 going back and stats built by Dobie.

I'm not one for the permanent marker - that's why I fell for the Canes back in the late 70s. You are what you are today and nothing else matters.

Empires rise; and empires fall. Sometimes, they come back. Sometimes, they never do. USC has characteristics that matter which portend their return. Washington, unfortunately, does not have those characteristics.

To me, the Pac 10/12 has always been USC and her little sisters. The numbers don't lie. Washington is not even close to them in any category. It's SC and everyone else, which is more or less how the piece reads.

Good post. Lotta truth in there but you are missing one key component:

UW has the coach to maintain this success.

In 10-15 years the idea of UW as the clear #2/to USC might just be commonly accepted.

creepycoug said:

FremontTroll said:

creepycoug said:

The logic for USC is pretty clear, and we didn't really need an article to help us out.

Honestly, joking aside, the guy did a shit job of making his case for Washington. All-time wins? Stadium capacity?

But this is where he really fell down:

USC is the Pac-12's bell cow -- no debating that -- and Washington is a strong No. 2, particularly if one accepts you must look outside of Los Angeles for a No. 2

I dislike UCLA as much as anyone, and Lord knows they are the champs of the "do less with more" crowd, but how does that make sense? Why outside LA?

Then there's the rest of the Washington rationale, almost all of which is based on 1991 going back and stats built by Dobie.

I'm not one for the permanent marker - that's why I fell for the Canes back in the late 70s. You are what you are today and nothing else matters.

Empires rise; and empires fall. Sometimes, they come back. Sometimes, they never do. USC has characteristics that matter which portend their return. Washington, unfortunately, does not have those characteristics.

To me, the Pac 10/12 has always been USC and her little sisters. The numbers don't lie. Washington is not even close to them in any category. It's SC and everyone else, which is more or less how the piece reads.

Good post. Lotta truth in there but you are missing one key component:

UW has the coach to maintain this success.

In 10-15 years the idea of UW as the clear #2/to USC might just be commonly accepted.

Sure. Which just means that, after four failed attempts to replace James, Washington found their man.

GiantOnMontlake said:

creepycoug said:

GiantOnMontlake said:

creepycoug said:

The logic for USC is pretty clear, and we didn't really need an article to help us out.

Honestly, joking aside, the guy did a shit job of making his case for Washington. All-time wins? Stadium capacity?

But this is where he really fell down:

USC is the Pac-12's bell cow -- no debating that -- and Washington is a strong No. 2, particularly if one accepts you must look outside of Los Angeles for a No. 2

I dislike UCLA as much as anyone, and Lord knows they are the champs of the "do less with more" crowd, but how does that make sense? Why outside LA?

Then there's the rest of the Washington rationale, almost all of which is based on 1991 going back and stats built by Dobie.

I'm not one for the permanent marker - that's why I fell for the Canes back in the late 70s. You are what you are today and nothing else matters.

Empires rise; and empires fall. Sometimes, they come back. Sometimes, they never do. USC has characteristics that matter which portend their return. Washington, unfortunately, does not have those characteristics.

To me, the Pac 10/12 has always been USC and her little sisters. The numbers don't lie. Washington is not even close to them in any category. It's SC and everyone else, which is more or less how the piece reads.

Hardly USC and the little sisters anymore.

Wow. It's almost like you didn't read the article that you linked. Missing the point perhaps?

I'll help - a little - the article rests on some notion that USC and Washington are the conference's two prestige power programs and thus are the ones most likely to win a title. The basis for that as applied to SC is abundantly clear. For Washington, it's not, and he did a shitty job making his case.

Historically, yes, it's USC and her little, much, much younger, sisters.

If that's the narrative you want to go with. There is no imperical data to backup your point. USC is definitely a blue blood, but they are just gaining steam again, and all the other Pac programs have failed to rise up and make a big impression nationally! That isn't UW's fault that the rest of the lot have stunk it up to high hell!! Ted's premise is the two programs (sans Colorado) who have won NC's have the greatest chance at regaining NC crowns. This is a fact... you can see it whichever way you want. Prestige rankings - SC is #5, UW is around #15-17, UCLA is #19, Stanford is #20-25, Oregon is coming up around #25-30...