Todd Graham hates House Money
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I don't know that everyone on your list is a sure fire top tier Coach, but I do know that they are all markedly better than Sark, so I would take anyone of them over what we have, which is shit.dnc said:I repoasted my 2008 top 5 coaching candidates over the summer at DM.c and was laughed at by a number of doogs with a bunch of "glad you weren't the one hiring our coach" type comments. They were especially derisive of Graham.
Fuck the doogs.
Jim Mora
Brian Kelly
Gary Patterson
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Brian Kelly
Is there a single name on that list you wouldn't take over Sark without hesitation? -
Agreed, I'm not claiming they are. That's certainly not my top 5 heading into this offseason.Swaye said:
I don't know that everyone on your list is a sure fire top tier Coach, but I do know that they are all markedly better than Sark, so I would take anyone of them over what we have, which is shit.dnc said:I repoasted my 2008 top 5 coaching candidates over the summer at DM.c and was laughed at by a number of doogs with a bunch of "glad you weren't the one hiring our coach" type comments. They were especially derisive of Graham.
Fuck the doogs.
Jim Mora
Brian Kelly
Gary Patterson
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Brian Kelly
Is there a single name on that list you wouldn't take over Sark without hesitation?
The point is, there were legitimate options outside of Mora and Brian Kelly (and Brian Kelly) that made much more sense at the time than Sark and would have far outperformed SWS up to this point.
This is all the "but who are you going to get who's any better" crowd needs to know. We had better options in 2008. We have better options now.
Fire Sark.
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Nobody good will coach at UW
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YRYKdnc said:
Agreed, I'm not claiming they are. That's certainly not my top 5 heading into this offseason.Swaye said:
I don't know that everyone on your list is a sure fire top tier Coach, but I do know that they are all markedly better than Sark, so I would take anyone of them over what we have, which is shit.dnc said:I repoasted my 2008 top 5 coaching candidates over the summer at DM.c and was laughed at by a number of doogs with a bunch of "glad you weren't the one hiring our coach" type comments. They were especially derisive of Graham.
Fuck the doogs.
Jim Mora
Brian Kelly
Gary Patterson
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Brian Kelly
Is there a single name on that list you wouldn't take over Sark without hesitation?
The point is, there were legitimate options outside of Mora and Brian Kelly (and Brian Kelly) that made much more sense at the time than Sark and would have far outperformed SWS up to this point.
This is all the "but who are you going to get who's any better" crowd needs to know. We had better options in 2008. We have better options now.
Fire Sark. -
no to wittingham please. Sark has kicked his ass out of the stadiums both times they met.
Patterson said thanks but no thanks. He is actually paid really well for the size of the program there.
Kelly said no thanks
Mora they messed up with and really on all accounts should be the coach right now.
Graham I am not sure they considered (he was my top choice). I am not sure how good he is yet.
And Kelly did not want to come. -
If you back up the Brinks truck to their porch, they will come. Pool Boy wasn;t willing to do what it takes to get a true top candidate, and Sark is what you get from bottom feeding. The funniest, and fucking saddest thing is, Pool Boy paid Sark like he was a top guy, so he could claim he was "serious about football."AtomicDawg said:no to wittingham please. Sark has kicked his ass out of the stadiums both times they met.
Patterson said thanks but no thanks. He is actually paid really well for the size of the program there.
Kelly said no thanks
Mora they messed up with and really on all accounts should be the coach right now.
Graham I am not sure they considered (he was my top choice). I am not sure how good he is yet.
And Kelly did not want to come.
Total fucking sham from top to bottom. We overpaid for shit, instead of just paying market rate for good, which wound up being about 10 percent apart in salary, and 100 percent apart in wins.
FML -
Swaye said:
If you back up the Brinks truck to their porch, they will come. Pool Boy wasn;t willing to do what it takes to get a true top candidate, and Sark is what you get from bottom feeding. The funniest, and fucking saddest thing is, Pool Boy paid Sark like he was a top guy, so he could claim he was "serious about football."AtomicDawg said:no to wittingham please. Sark has kicked his ass out of the stadiums both times they met.
Patterson said thanks but no thanks. He is actually paid really well for the size of the program there.
Kelly said no thanks
Mora they messed up with and really on all accounts should be the coach right now.
Graham I am not sure they considered (he was my top choice). I am not sure how good he is yet.
And Kelly did not want to come.
Total fucking sham from top to bottom. We overpaid for shit, instead of just paying market rate for good, which wound up being about 10 percent apart in salary, and 100 percent apart in wins.
FML
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I agree about paying them and they will come to an extent but when you're 0-12 you are 0-12. Kelly and Patterson were really hot coaching prospects at the time and could name the places they wanted to consider.
Patterson has never been anxious to leave TCU since he gets paid like a good SEC program. He campaigned for the clemson job once. He has turned down inquiries from others through the years and now theyre in the big 12 and it turns out he is average.
Kelly was basically sitting and waiting for the Notre Dame job.
Those weren't the only two coaches to go after obviously and they could have done much better and thrown money at different people (IE Graham), but there weren't a lot of people looking to jump on at our shit program. -
I agree about paying them and they will come to an extent but when you're 0-12 you are 0-12. Kelly and Patterson were really hot coaching prospects at the time and could name the places they wanted to consider.AtomicDawg said:
Patterson has never been anxious to leave TCU since he gets paid like a good SEC program. He campaigned for the clemson job once. He has turned down inquiries from others through the years and now theyre in the big 12 and it turns out he is average.
Kelly was basically sitting and waiting for the Notre Dame job.
Those weren't the only two coaches to go after obviously and they could have done much better and thrown money at different people (IE Graham), but there weren't a lot of people looking to jump on at our shit program.
I agree with this and have gotten into disagreements over this before. In 2008, we weren't going to get a proven winner from a big school. I could not find an example of this happening with a 3 win team, let alone a 0-12 team. That would not be a problem anymore, but it was back then.
We should have gone after guys like Graham, Sumlin and other coaches who were doing well at smaller schools. I don't even mind the coordinator hire, but Sark had not even proven he was a good coordinator.
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I agree with this and have gotten into disagreements over this before. In 2008, we weren't going to get a proven winner from a big school. I could not find an example of this happening with a 3 win team, let alone a 0-12 team. That would not be a problem anymore, but it was back then.RoadDawg55 said:
I agree about paying them and they will come to an extent but when you're 0-12 you are 0-12. Kelly and Patterson were really hot coaching prospects at the time and could name the places they wanted to consider.AtomicDawg said:
Patterson has never been anxious to leave TCU since he gets paid like a good SEC program. He campaigned for the clemson job once. He has turned down inquiries from others through the years and now theyre in the big 12 and it turns out he is average.
Kelly was basically sitting and waiting for the Notre Dame job.
Those weren't the only two coaches to go after obviously and they could have done much better and thrown money at different people (IE Graham), but there weren't a lot of people looking to jump on at our shit program.
We should have gone after guys like Graham, Sumlin and other coaches who were doing well at smaller schools. I don't even mind the coordinator hire, but Sark had not even proven he was a good coordinator.
I agree. That is why I hope desperately that they make the move now and go out and find this year's bret bielma (Proven underpaid coach) or Deruyter (Up and coming?) and just pay them what it takes to get them here.
If they don't make the move this year I think there is a VERY good chance of the wheels falling off next year and having a 5-7 type year. The team will beat shitty teams at first, then the first of any adversity will turn into an avalanche for death watch 2014. We won't have sankey next year and I wouldn't be surprised to see our defensive staff jump ship also.
They aren't going to get highly sought after assistants to come to the school this off season as everyone will see it as Sark's win or get out year. That never works with a coach who never won in the first place.
