Todd Graham hates House Money

Swaye said:

The House Money comment was so much bigger than most casual and retarded fans could ever realize. Really solidified that he is not, at his core, a win at all costs sleep in the office and stop banging out Joey's girls cause all I care about is winning kind of coach. Instead, he is sort of a faggot, with a triple chin. Not a good combo.

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I repoasted my 2008 top 5 coaching candidates over the summer at DM.c and was laughed at by a number of doogs with a bunch of "glad you weren't the one hiring our coach" type comments. They were especially derisive of Graham.

Fuck the doogs.

Jim Mora
Brian Kelly
Gary Patterson
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Brian Kelly

Is there a single name on that list you wouldn't take over Sark without hesitation?

Swaye said:

dnc said:

I repoasted my 2008 top 5 coaching candidates over the summer at DM.c and was laughed at by a number of doogs with a bunch of "glad you weren't the one hiring our coach" type comments. They were especially derisive of Graham.

Fuck the doogs.

Jim Mora
Brian Kelly
Gary Patterson
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Brian Kelly

Is there a single name on that list you wouldn't take over Sark without hesitation?

I don't know that everyone on your list is a sure fire top tier Coach, but I do know that they are all markedly better than Sark, so I would take anyone of them over what we have, which is shit.

Agreed, I'm not claiming they are. That's certainly not my top 5 heading into this offseason.

The point is, there were legitimate options outside of Mora and Brian Kelly (and Brian Kelly) that made much more sense at the time than Sark and would have far outperformed SWS up to this point.

This is all the "but who are you going to get who's any better" crowd needs to know. We had better options in 2008. We have better options now.

Fire Sark.

I agree about paying them and they will come to an extent but when you're 0-12 you are 0-12. Kelly and Patterson were really hot coaching prospects at the time and could name the places they wanted to consider.

Patterson has never been anxious to leave TCU since he gets paid like a good SEC program. He campaigned for the clemson job once. He has turned down inquiries from others through the years and now theyre in the big 12 and it turns out he is average.

Kelly was basically sitting and waiting for the Notre Dame job.


Those weren't the only two coaches to go after obviously and they could have done much better and thrown money at different people (IE Graham), but there weren't a lot of people looking to jump on at our shit program.

RoadDawg55 said:

AtomicDawg said:

I agree about paying them and they will come to an extent but when you're 0-12 you are 0-12. Kelly and Patterson were really hot coaching prospects at the time and could name the places they wanted to consider.

Patterson has never been anxious to leave TCU since he gets paid like a good SEC program. He campaigned for the clemson job once. He has turned down inquiries from others through the years and now theyre in the big 12 and it turns out he is average.

Kelly was basically sitting and waiting for the Notre Dame job.


Those weren't the only two coaches to go after obviously and they could have done much better and thrown money at different people (IE Graham), but there weren't a lot of people looking to jump on at our shit program.

I agree with this and have gotten into disagreements over this before. In 2008, we weren't going to get a proven winner from a big school. I could not find an example of this happening with a 3 win team, let alone a 0-12 team. That would not be a problem anymore, but it was back then.

We should have gone after guys like Graham, Sumlin and other coaches who were doing well at smaller schools. I don't even mind the coordinator hire, but Sark had not even proven he was a good coordinator.



I agree. That is why I hope desperately that they make the move now and go out and find this year's bret bielma (Proven underpaid coach) or Deruyter (Up and coming?) and just pay them what it takes to get them here.

If they don't make the move this year I think there is a VERY good chance of the wheels falling off next year and having a 5-7 type year. The team will beat shitty teams at first, then the first of any adversity will turn into an avalanche for death watch 2014. We won't have sankey next year and I wouldn't be surprised to see our defensive staff jump ship also.

They aren't going to get highly sought after assistants to come to the school this off season as everyone will see it as Sark's win or get out year. That never works with a coach who never won in the first place.

I thought at the time they didn't want to back up the Brinks truck with one hand to secure a good coach and then immediately ask for public funds for a new stadium with the other.

New staduim = revenue = job security for Woodward. On field excellence is only important to some fans. To the AD the increased revenue represented in a new stadium venture would have been much more important.

I'm not sure Woodward thought the staduim would have gotten done without extending the hotel tax. Paying a good coach a ton of money, regardless of wether the salary was booster raised, would have been in the papers. The outrage over Rick's salary was palpable. I'm sure it was a factor in the process.

Now hope is that now that we have the stadium, increased revenue will be realized only through an improved product. To most of us here, that means a new coach. I think that baking up the Brinks truck makes more sense in terms of the bottom line now.

Woodward is responsible for generating the revenue. He has to show "incremental progress" too. After increases from the Pac 12 Network deal and the new stadium are simply status quo, he'll be on the hook for generating progress through victories.

I hope.

Wittingham and Patterson dominated a conference where they had superior talent. Now they have equal or less talent and look to be average to below average.
Wittingham for one has sucked at hiring an offensive staff.