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A 7th grader has no conception of the world outside of his bedroom to be able to set goals. His letter as a 13yr old isn't evidence of goal setting if you have no idea where Stanford even is (which he likely didn't)DeepSeaZ said:
Bullshit. In 7th grade the kid wrote a paper about going to Stanford to play football. He focused on making that happen. Thats not a miss. That's a kid achieving his goal. -
I had a goal as a little kid to go to Stanford because of the educational side ... knowing what Stanford offered never changed in my mind
Other things did change in my mind over the next 10+ years ... UW was the only school I officially applied to for undergrad
In the end, choices and decisions get made based on what best matches goals and desires moving forward
There's no question that Fozzy would have been a difficult turn ... but not an impossible one. He became impossible when we were unable to offer him a compelling enough story on why he and his family should view UW as the better fit today and going forward -
I'm going to go mini-Teq here.
Stanford, and to some extent any undergrad degree, is a brand and nothing more for many. I see this as especially true in the hiring world. It is incredibly common here in SF for candidates to only be considered if they have a diploma from an "elite" university. If he was worried about getting his first job out of college, then yes I would say a Stanford degree would give him a significant leg up over most applicants or at least put him in the pool of acceptable applicants.
Personally, I think this is a stupid hiring practice as undergrad educations from "top 10" universities are by and large not appreciably different than those from "top 25" or "top 50" universities. I've worked/work with plenty of Stanford undergrads who are in no way better equipped or more talented than anyone else on their teams. Grad programs are a whole different animal. When we get into grad programs, yes universities like Stanford truly do have the brightest minds and most leading edge research. But I digress...
In my opinion, if you're going to be a left tackle in the NFL and make millions, then where you get your undergraduate degree from is moot. By the time you get out of the league, your income will be from investments you've made along the way or investments you will make, not from joining the workforce as an entry level employee. If you want to have a Stanford education that is meaningful as a professional athlete, then that is a graduate level education.
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Why in fuck is yet another thread being inundated with Fozzy bullshit? Jesus
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Its as simple as...
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Sark recruiting MartellDawgFader said:
I think the story goes...Harbag heard about a giant 8th grader that was destroying tiny children on the football field. He hand wrote the giant child a letter telling him he wanted him to think about what Stanford had to offer. The seed was planted early in life and matured as you would expect. Sark was drinking Patron at Joey's with some Omega Moo's.
Weak to be stuck holding the second place trophy. Only out weaknessed by a late period loss for arguably the most important position this cycle. -
There are some companies that are able to hire based on the "best and brightest" where they take from only a select number of schools ... that's their culture and probably their best bet going forward to make sure that they are getting like minded people. To each their own. Fortunately there are more than a few different companies out there.
I can definitely say that part of the reason that I ended up at TCU for grad school was because I went to the University of Washington for undergrad. As TCU was building up their MBA program, they specifically targeted the non-traditional MBA student by looking at taking students that would be in 5-7 years the students that would be populating many of the more elite MBA programs and getting them into their program earlier. They were right place and right time for a number of us in the program ...
The thing is that schools whether or undergrad or grad programs are all about fitting into what it is that you're looking for going forward. From an educational standpoint, what I learned going through the Foster School of Business at UW prepared me very well for what I saw at TCU in the MBA program. What Foster didn't prepare me well for in advancing into the business world were the soft skills necessary to being successful whether it was managing relationships, working in teams in a professional environment, networking, etc. TCU's MBA program put us in those positions on a constant basis that exposed areas where we were weak and gave us plenty of opportunities to improve upon them. Other programs have very different focuses and they fit a certain student.
The reality is that what an undergrad degree gives you is a foundation to build on as you start your career in whatever field that you are in. It doesn't matter what school you come from you're not walking out of that program and going into the business world (as anything really other than an entrepreneur) where you're going to by far know better what to do than anybody around you. You just can't. It's impossible. But the decisions that you make regarding school, degree, etc. do provide you opportunities if you play your cards well to get your foot in the door, networking opportunities, and further educational opportunities. But there are successful people that come from every school with numerous different degrees ... so in the end it matters, but not THAT much. -
Tequilla said:
There are some companies that are able to hire based on the "best and brightest" where they take from only a select number of schools ... that's their culture and probably their best bet going forward to make sure that they are getting like minded people. To each their own. Fortunately there are more than a few different companies out there.
I can definitely say that part of the reason that I ended up at TCU for grad school was because I went to the University of Washington for undergrad. As TCU was building up their MBA program, they specifically targeted the non-traditional MBA student by looking at taking students that would be in 5-7 years the students that would be populating many of the more elite MBA programs and getting them into their program earlier. They were right place and right time for a number of us in the program ...
The thing is that schools whether or undergrad or grad programs are all about fitting into what it is that you're looking for going forward. From an educational standpoint, what I learned going through the Foster School of Business at UW prepared me very well for what I saw at TCU in the MBA program. What Foster didn't prepare me well for in advancing into the business world were the soft skills necessary to being successful whether it was managing relationships, working in teams in a professional environment, networking, etc. TCU's MBA program put us in those positions on a constant basis that exposed areas where we were weak and gave us plenty of opportunities to improve upon them. Other programs have very different focuses and they fit a certain student.
The reality is that what an undergrad degree gives you is a foundation to build on as you start your career in whatever field that you are in. It doesn't matter what school you come from you're not walking out of that program and going into the business world (as anything really other than an entrepreneur) where you're going to by far know better what to do than anybody around you. You just can't. It's impossible. But the decisions that you make regarding school, degree, etc. do provide you opportunities if you play your cards well to get your foot in the door, networking opportunities, and further educational opportunities. But there are successful people that come from every school with numerous different degrees ... so in the end it matters, but not THAT much.
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I wanna talk about Ty Jones.
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Ty Jones has a great catching radius.
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I never blame a kid for taking an Ohio State meth addiction.
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Im just really glad you posted this, I would have never thought!! AMAZING!Tequilla said:I had a goal as a little kid to go to Stanford because of the educational side ... knowing what Stanford offered never changed in my mind
Other things did change in my mind over the next 10+ years ... UW was the only school I officially applied to for undergrad
In the end, choices and decisions get made based on what best matches goals and desires moving forward
There's no question that Fozzy would have been a difficult turn ... but not an impossible one. He became impossible when we were unable to offer him a compelling enough story on why he and his family should view UW as the better fit today and going forward
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What is Wyatt Davis trying to say?GrundleStiltzkin said: -
Looks like Ty Jones seems pretty solid, for now. Tweeted a bunch of UW stuff (Guessing he just got done with his in home with Bush). We're still gonna have to keep this guy, though. Lots of teams are gonna try to get him... ND, Ohio St.
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Any thoughts on Davis coming?CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Looks like Ty Jones seems pretty solid, for now. Tweeted a bunch of UW stuff (Guessing he just got done with his in home with Bush). We're still gonna have to keep this guy, though. Lots of teams are gonna try to get him... ND, Ohio St.
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He is doing the west coast free dinner tour. Fuck, i want this big fuck to replace Jake E, but not happening.tvoie said:
Any thoughts on Davis coming? -
If Davis was just visiting UW, I'd feel really good about our chances; especially since he's already visited Ohio St. But if he's visiting the LA schools too, we have zero chance.tvoie said:
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Well let's see what happens if he visits. Not likely, but if he comes, UW takes their best shot.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
If Davis was just visiting UW, I'd feel really good about our chances; especially since he's already visited Ohio St. But if he's visiting the LA schools too, we have zero chance.
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We've done very well with highly regarded OL recruits. I'm sure it'll go well.tvoie said:
Well let's see what happens if he visits. Not likely, but if he comes, UW takes their best shot. -
Looks like Wyatt Davis is trying to recruit Ty Jones to Ohio State.Petersen3098 said:
What is Wyatt Davis trying to say? -
I laffed.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
We've done very well with highly regarded OL recruits. I'm sure it'll go well. -
OSU just had WR Jaylen Harris commit. I have no idea if that makes it less likely for Jones to consider them.
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Supposedly Wyatt had to bag his visit because Ohio State got pissed.
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Good. I'm hoping a lot of schools will institute this kind of policy so recruits will stop acting like a bunch of twats.Ice_Holmvik said:Supposedly Wyatt had to bag his visit because Ohio State got pissed.
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Up voted for using twatsCuntWaffle said:
Good. I'm hoping a lot of schools will institute this kind of policy so recruits will stop acting like a bunch of twats. -
Looks like Ohio State just picked up a 4 star receiver not named Ty Jones. @Dennis_DeYoung can pull the barrel out of his mouth now.
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Ice_Holmvik said:
Looks like Ohio State just picked up a 4 star receiver not named Ty Jones. @Dennis_DeYoung can pull the
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So sayeth CuntWaffle.CuntWaffle said:
Good. I'm hoping a lot of schools will institute this kind of policy so recruits will stop acting like a bunch of twats. -
Just added another WTF to the sourceTequilla said:There are some companies that are able to hire based on the "best and brightest" where they take from only a select number of schools ... that's their culture and probably their best bet going forward to make sure that they are getting like minded people. To each their own. Fortunately there are more than a few different companies out there.
I can definitely say that part of the reason that I ended up at TCU for grad school was because I went to the University of Washington for undergrad. As TCU was building up their MBA program, they specifically targeted the non-traditional MBA student by looking at taking students that would be in 5-7 years the students that would be populating many of the more elite MBA programs and getting them into their program earlier. They were right place and right time for a number of us in the program ...
The thing is that schools whether or undergrad or grad programs are all about fitting into what it is that you're looking for going forward. From an educational standpoint, what I learned going through the Foster School of Business at UW prepared me very well for what I saw at TCU in the MBA program. What Foster didn't prepare me well for in advancing into the business world were the soft skills necessary to being successful whether it was managing relationships, working in teams in a professional environment, networking, etc. TCU's MBA program put us in those positions on a constant basis that exposed areas where we were weak and gave us plenty of opportunities to improve upon them. Other programs have very different focuses and they fit a certain student.
The reality is that what an undergrad degree gives you is a foundation to build on as you start your career in whatever field that you are in. It doesn't matter what school you come from you're not walking out of that program and going into the business world (as anything really other than an entrepreneur) where you're going to by far know better what to do than anybody around you. You just can't. It's impossible. But the decisions that you make regarding school, degree, etc. do provide you opportunities if you play your cards well to get your foot in the door, networking opportunities, and further educational opportunities. But there are successful people that come from every school with numerous different degrees ... so in the end it matters, but not THAT much.
