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A lot of people have brought up ways to improve discussion or increase traffic here on Hardcore Husky. A lot of different viewpoints have been shared. In this post, I'll try to do a somewhat objective analysis on some of the pressing issues. I will also examine strengths and weaknesses of this site and analyze the long term outlook for Hardcore Husky.
Points of Contention
1. Dawgman Bashing
A frequent complaint has been the matter of Dawgman bashing on this site. Several voices worry it detracts from football discussion. Perhaps it clutters the board, but I view Dawgman bashing as a necessity. With it we can exemplify the ridiculous opinions they have and all that is rotten with the current husky fan base.
From a growth standpoint, Dawgman bashing is a great thing. They are the only real competitor with this site. It has led to an influx of refugees in recent months. Derek says numbers are off the charts and I'll take his word for it. Much of that has to do with this site being an alternative to Dawgman. Without clearly conveying how we differ from them, I assume the recent growth would have been less substantial.
2. GIFs, Pictures, Inside Jokes
A sizable amount of posters have complained about GIFs, inside jokes, etc. claiming it detracts from serious football discussion. That is a silly viewpoint. Part of the charm of this site is the running jokes and quirky posters. Humor has been a main attraction of the HHB boards since their inception. It's what initially drew me in. If you can't laugh at Husky Football after the farce that has been the last 10 years, this site is not for you.
GIF's, funny pictures, etc. are also what differentiates us from other sites. Scout boards have very few images and I don't think they even support GIFs. Younger generation fans like myself are drawn to these visuals. Plain and simple they are good for long term growth.
3. The Banning of Harvey Road
This has been a contentious issue since Harvey was banned in early July. Certainly the bored was much different then. If I had to guess I'd say there were a quarter of the posts daily than there are now. The board is now much more able to support itself. If Harvey was unbanned he would be another "big name" poster to add to the discussion. He probably would hijack some football threads, but the humor he adds to the board would be first rate.
I also understand the role he had in the destruction of dawgboard (RIP). That board is different than this one in several ways. It had yet to pull in the numbers we currently have, while also having a much different ratio of doogs to HHB's. This board has very few doogs currently. IrishDawg was the last to jump ship, and now the only doogish comments are no longer about Sark but Mora. Harv likes to pick fights but this board has a definitively smaller pool of posters for that. This board also seems to be skimp on Cougs. LanceUppercut seems to be the most frequent poster. I imagine if Harv were unbanned we would see an influx of other good Coug posters.
Strengths/Weaknesses
Strengths
1. Site Design
The design on this site is marvelous. It has a 2013 feel that is not too elaborate. The interface is extremely simple, and easy to look at. It has lots of tools for posting that other sites don't offer.
The vote up/vote down/awesome system is unparalleled on other sites. The closest thing Scout has is the 1-5 stars post rating and that thing is a joke. It has a Facebook feel to it, but it goes beyond that with the vote down button. Instant gratification is trending in our society and especially in my generation. Posting something that is well received can now be represented by the tally of upvotes/awesomes, making posting incentive based. As younger fans come to discover this site, this feature will lure them into posting, hopefully consistently.
The profiles are also well done. They are very similar to Facebook. Tracking some of your favorite posters, or even your own posts are made easy. Seeing which posters have a lot of upvotes/awesomes versus downvotes is helpful.
2. Articles
No other competitor combines the depth, humor, and detail into their articles like Hardcore Husky. Derek's interviews with former players, thoughts on Don James, and opinions on the current state of Husky Football are thoughtful and relevant. Duckfighter Illustrated is still the class of College Football satire. It draws in not just Huskies but Ducks, Cougs, and Beavers. Well, maybe only TheGlove. Hardcore Husky predictions generally contain better analysis and humor than Dawgman's equivalent. Mad_Son's Ramblings are a refreshing, and again thoughtful take on the the present state of the program.
Weaknesses
1. The Absence of a Defined Recruiting Board
The biggest advantage Dawgman currently has over Hardcore Husky is the recruiting coverage and discussion. Over here people refer to recruiting as "teen boy stalking" and generally don't like it. I'm one of those people. But it is apparent recruiting is a major point of interest to a majority of fans on Dawgman and elsewhere. For instance, the Seattle Times' Signing Day Live Blog is always among the Top 10 most read stories of the year.
My recommendation would be to add a recruiting specific board to Hardcore Husky and/or have a poster here who follows recruiting write a monthly update on Husky recruiting. That way people here who enjoy recruiting could discuss it without fear of being attacked.
Final thought: The aspect of this site that is its true strength shouldn't need mentioning, but minimal moderation is a beautiful thing.
This is my analysis of Hardcore Husky in its current state. It was a long read, but if you made it through it I'd love to see your analysis too. Thanks for reading.
Points of Contention
1. Dawgman Bashing
A frequent complaint has been the matter of Dawgman bashing on this site. Several voices worry it detracts from football discussion. Perhaps it clutters the board, but I view Dawgman bashing as a necessity. With it we can exemplify the ridiculous opinions they have and all that is rotten with the current husky fan base.
From a growth standpoint, Dawgman bashing is a great thing. They are the only real competitor with this site. It has led to an influx of refugees in recent months. Derek says numbers are off the charts and I'll take his word for it. Much of that has to do with this site being an alternative to Dawgman. Without clearly conveying how we differ from them, I assume the recent growth would have been less substantial.
2. GIFs, Pictures, Inside Jokes
A sizable amount of posters have complained about GIFs, inside jokes, etc. claiming it detracts from serious football discussion. That is a silly viewpoint. Part of the charm of this site is the running jokes and quirky posters. Humor has been a main attraction of the HHB boards since their inception. It's what initially drew me in. If you can't laugh at Husky Football after the farce that has been the last 10 years, this site is not for you.
GIF's, funny pictures, etc. are also what differentiates us from other sites. Scout boards have very few images and I don't think they even support GIFs. Younger generation fans like myself are drawn to these visuals. Plain and simple they are good for long term growth.
3. The Banning of Harvey Road
This has been a contentious issue since Harvey was banned in early July. Certainly the bored was much different then. If I had to guess I'd say there were a quarter of the posts daily than there are now. The board is now much more able to support itself. If Harvey was unbanned he would be another "big name" poster to add to the discussion. He probably would hijack some football threads, but the humor he adds to the board would be first rate.
I also understand the role he had in the destruction of dawgboard (RIP). That board is different than this one in several ways. It had yet to pull in the numbers we currently have, while also having a much different ratio of doogs to HHB's. This board has very few doogs currently. IrishDawg was the last to jump ship, and now the only doogish comments are no longer about Sark but Mora. Harv likes to pick fights but this board has a definitively smaller pool of posters for that. This board also seems to be skimp on Cougs. LanceUppercut seems to be the most frequent poster. I imagine if Harv were unbanned we would see an influx of other good Coug posters.
Strengths/Weaknesses
Strengths
1. Site Design
The design on this site is marvelous. It has a 2013 feel that is not too elaborate. The interface is extremely simple, and easy to look at. It has lots of tools for posting that other sites don't offer.
The vote up/vote down/awesome system is unparalleled on other sites. The closest thing Scout has is the 1-5 stars post rating and that thing is a joke. It has a Facebook feel to it, but it goes beyond that with the vote down button. Instant gratification is trending in our society and especially in my generation. Posting something that is well received can now be represented by the tally of upvotes/awesomes, making posting incentive based. As younger fans come to discover this site, this feature will lure them into posting, hopefully consistently.
The profiles are also well done. They are very similar to Facebook. Tracking some of your favorite posters, or even your own posts are made easy. Seeing which posters have a lot of upvotes/awesomes versus downvotes is helpful.
2. Articles
No other competitor combines the depth, humor, and detail into their articles like Hardcore Husky. Derek's interviews with former players, thoughts on Don James, and opinions on the current state of Husky Football are thoughtful and relevant. Duckfighter Illustrated is still the class of College Football satire. It draws in not just Huskies but Ducks, Cougs, and Beavers. Well, maybe only TheGlove. Hardcore Husky predictions generally contain better analysis and humor than Dawgman's equivalent. Mad_Son's Ramblings are a refreshing, and again thoughtful take on the the present state of the program.
Weaknesses
1. The Absence of a Defined Recruiting Board
The biggest advantage Dawgman currently has over Hardcore Husky is the recruiting coverage and discussion. Over here people refer to recruiting as "teen boy stalking" and generally don't like it. I'm one of those people. But it is apparent recruiting is a major point of interest to a majority of fans on Dawgman and elsewhere. For instance, the Seattle Times' Signing Day Live Blog is always among the Top 10 most read stories of the year.
My recommendation would be to add a recruiting specific board to Hardcore Husky and/or have a poster here who follows recruiting write a monthly update on Husky recruiting. That way people here who enjoy recruiting could discuss it without fear of being attacked.
Final thought: The aspect of this site that is its true strength shouldn't need mentioning, but minimal moderation is a beautiful thing.
This is my analysis of Hardcore Husky in its current state. It was a long read, but if you made it through it I'd love to see your analysis too. Thanks for reading.
Comments
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I agree with everything and I do think Harv would be better monitored now. With so many people in here establishing themselves plus the old guard as well you could have people telling Harv to fuck off if he gets out of hand.
I think adding Harv back would be a good thing. He would add in some more Cougs plus Apple Cup week really needs Harv as he always Coogs it up.
I think by banning him he wouldn't have the same momentum in getting others to play along in his game when he publicly blast someone.
Plus he keeps the doogs on their toes and even keeps us on our toes.
As for the rest I agree. I like the Doogman bashing. Rather rip on their idiotic supporting of Sark with bullshit facts than actually discuss why UW sucks which got old after 23 times. -
Do you actually go to class or is this your major?
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He's a future Thomas Fremont. Another young HHB intern.koopdog said:Do you actually go to class or is this your major?
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This is my thesis.koopdog said:Do you actually go to class or is this your major?
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there is a bit too much long winded analysis going on, like somebody posting how post James and pre-james numbers are about the same. We already know that. No need for such detail. To some extent it is better just to say either
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and move on, not waste your time on the internet posting a bunch of crap nobody gives a flying fuck about in the long run. Contrare to what some posters believe, the decision makers at the UW don't care at all about what fans post. Actually I don't realy care one way or another what happens. -
I think you kind of missed my whole point. I tried to solely talk about this site now and in the future, not the impact it has with the program.ApostleofGrief said:there is a bit too much long winded analysis going on, like somebody posting how post James and pre-james numbers are about the same. We already know that. No need for such detail. To some extent it is better just to say either
Agree
disagree
and move on, not waste your time on the internet posting a bunch of crap nobody gives a flying fuck about in the long run. Contrare to what some posters believe, the decision makers at the UW don't care at all about what fans post. Actually I don't realy care one way or another what happens. -
Have to be careful about a recruiting board for legal reasons.....premium stuff from that other bored would inevitable end up on a HH recruiting bored.
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Doogman bashing is a necessity. Many on here once enjoyed doogman and had that taken away from them by the skinny jeans wearing, giant football clutching faggot. There is a reason for it, even if some think we are excessive about it.
Before the season was over, there were more football related posts on here than doogman. If we are a relevant team, that won't be a problem. Almost everyone here is a fan. It's hard to analyze and talk football when we are staring down on another 7-6 season.
I'm sure there will be recruiting talk once the season is over. Well, the season is already over, but I mean after there are no more games remaining on the schedule. It will also be a prime time to make fun of Kim and Eklund and Doogman's chat season.
I was Harv's target while he was here, but I don't care if he comes back. My only issue would be him scaring away new posters by attacking every post of theirs for his own thrills. I would rather let newbies get comfortable and post for a few weeks (within reason) before getting blitzkrieged by Harv, but to each their own. -
If I can add my 2 cents, the dawgman obsession can be a bit over the top.
I understand a lot of you come from this site, but to have 3+ threads constantly on the front page about things happening over there, things somebody there said... Or those conversations hijacking some football topics.
For those of us who do not come from that site, or who don't care anymore, that is a bit too much and it gives this board a second rate feel somehow. And I disagree with your statement it is s great thing for the growth. Dawgman readers only represent a fraction of the husky online fanbase.
But yeah I understand where this is coming from, I've seen that with other sites before where a majority of people moved on to a new site and kept talking about the old one. I hope it dies down with time. -
Your a cunt
Die in fire
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disagreeCollegeDoog said:
I think you kind of missed my whole point. I tried to solely talk about this site now and in the future, not the impact it has with the program.ApostleofGrief said:there is a bit too much long winded analysis going on, like somebody posting how post James and pre-james numbers are about the same. We already know that. No need for such detail. To some extent it is better just to say either
Agree
disagree
and move on, not waste your time on the internet posting a bunch of crap nobody gives a flying fuck about in the long run. Contrare to what some posters believe, the decision makers at the UW don't care at all about what fans post. Actually I don't realy care one way or another what happens. -
And HR is a fucking dipshit that is a legend in kids sweatpants
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Apostle - off topic, but the scoop on fired CWU Coach Bennett came out today. Buying some booze on the company dime and attempted nepotism (tried to hire his father). Apparently, Central is putting academics first now too. I'll find the link.
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I saw it. Mixed feelings. Sounded like it should have been resolved... the dollars were like $1400 for drinks for ~40 teams' coaches. Not convinced it's cut and dry.... is a typical coaching scandal.unfrozencaveman said:Apostle - off topic, but the scoop on fired CWU Coach Bennett came out today. Buying some booze on the company dime and attempted nepotism (tried to hire his father). Apparently, Central is putting academics first now too. I'll find the link.
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PS., I don't like nepotism, but it happens...
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Well done.
Disagree on Harv. He was intentionally trying to sabotage the board. The recent increase in traffic is fantastic but I don't know if throwing that monkey wrench back in the engine, at the first signs of success, is a good idea. He is a great poster but if he has an agenda, that's a negative to the board.
I think the Dawgman stuff can be a little much at times. I don't mind it because I fucking hate those guys. But it seems like a lot, especially lately. It's probably a necessity right now though.
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Like Road Dawg said when we were all not enjoying being 4-0 we were talking football and doing less Doogman bashing.
Only so many times you can talk about how this season that is already over. I mean after 23 times it just got boring.
However, Doogman especially during a losing streak is always giving you gold. I mean Kim tried to use James death as a reason to not rip Sark. He also recently tried to bring up how Eklund's one year old son has the "crud" like that's fucking relevant to anything.
As for Harv? I say let him back in. Sure he'll act like a prick to some of the newbies but as long as others tell the new poster to PM IrishDawg as he has this place dialed in that shouldn't be a problem. -
fuck harve'
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Again, have a work safe template that disables all pictures if one so chooses. It would go a long way.
No idea who Harve is. -
Work safe and HHB are mutually exlusive.
I prefer it that way.
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If that is how you feel then so shall it ever be, no one would force you to turn on the template.MisterEm said:Work safe and HHB are mutually exlusive.
I prefer it that way.
HTH.
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I was wondering if I emphasized those numbers enough. I guess not. I would not say they are about the same. 0.57:0.5 ~ 7:6. In modern day season lengths, post-James coaches (including Sark) are about one win per season worse.ApostleofGrief said:there is a bit too much long winded analysis going on, like somebody posting how post James and pre-james numbers are about the same.
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Great post CollegeDoog. Totally agree on the recruiting stuff. There is a lid on this site with no recruiting coverage. Cover recruiting, the lid comes off.
And I second Kobe's nomination. Call it The Teen Stocking Bored.
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I'm not sure a large segment of the type of people who closely follow recruiting would be able to "hang" in this place. Maybe? I really have no idea. Does ShaggyBevo have a recruiting area? If so, HH could probably pull it off.dnc said:Great post CollegeDoog. Totally agree on the recruiting stuff. There is a lid on this site with no recruiting coverage. Cover recruiting, the lid comes off.
And I second Kobe's nomination. Call it The Teen Stocking Bored.
Done and done.
I nominate Passion to be in charge of it. He is our resident KING of teen boy stalking. -
Also, the fuck is "work safe?"
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Shaggy Bevo's recruiting page is called "RC Didn't Offer."
Ours could be "WDWHA," or "The Fence." But we'd need someone to stock the teen boys and write about it. -
Dawgman is the cage holding back our fanbase:
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Pretty good analysis
Some of the jokes, both inside and otherwise, that have been going since 2006, 2007, and 2008 can get a little stale. They're good to hold on to, but I kind of a roll my eyes at some of them. Roll them out once in awhile is my unsolicited advice.
Re: Harvey
Never been a big fan. He can be funny, but I never understood the hype... He can be on interesting and a f****** idiot too.
All that said I remember when he got banned. It was right after a wave of people came over after Kim's fucktarded OR sanction prediction was way off. Anyway, I'll just say the way it went down was b******* and I'll leave it at that.
Re: Recruiting
Having a monthly or even a weekly blog is a good idea IMO. You could post YouTube highlights of recruits too. People live for that s***. I don't follow it real closely until December and January, but it is an important process. If it was done right it would slice intoDoogman's biz even more. -
My recommendation would be to add a recruiting specific board to Hardcore Husky and/or have a poster here who follows recruiting write a monthly update on Husky recruiting.
Good idea, I nominate you. Are you ok w/ pro-boner work? -
The best thing about this forum is very little censorship. I wasn't here when Harvey Road was poaching and subsequently banned. Can't imagine what he (or she) did to get banned. I got very frustrated with this forum leading up to and shortly after the Stanford loss. I wanted to believe what wasn't true about Sark, i.e., the program had turned the corner and therefore I was viewing this site as the last refuge of negadawgs. So I tried to delete my account. Couldn't. So, I changed my email address. Got a new email address confirmation request. Replied, "Fuck off." Then got an email from Derek Johnson that was amazingly eloquent in its brevity: "Huh?" I climbed back aboard when the Oregon loss clearly revealed (yeah, I can be a little slow at times) the charade is over, just as the fucking season and the entire WA football program is over, as long as Sark is HC.
So, I am buzzed tonight, and fessing up a bit. I like this site a lot. Freedom of speech and expression are very important too me. I never joined dawgman, but have handles at UW Dawg Pound and Seattle Times. I almost think it might be fun to join dawgman and lurk, before posting content to get banned. LOL. The other two sites are all too typically doogish. It is very depressing when so-called fans are clueless about having a successful, winning program at UW again.
My take on the dawgman bashing, gifs (unlike Race Bannon I am not cuming around to tattooed women), inside and outside jokes (don't get them all, but figure learning is the price of admission), and anything perceived negative about the site it that it reflects the present shitty state of the football program.
Can you imagine how much fun and different this site would be if we were picking mice turds out of pepper over critiques of a 13-0 or 14-0 national title winning season?
Hope we can have such fun before I join Don James in the grave. He had 28 years on me, but a whole hell of a lot more Husky football pride.
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