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RaceBannon said:
That is a completely different subject than you led with. Of course it is political but religious propaganda is used to gain the political goal. AndWilburHooksHands said:
If you think the goals of ISIS leadership are truely religiously motivated, then it's too late. It's a smokescreen to achieve the exact effect it's having on people like you and drive ecruient under the guise of religion. ISIS is about power and control of a region.RaceBannon said:
the only mention of a Muslim registry is a made up transition story that is patently false. So blame the loser democrats who can't get over being losers.WilburHooksHands said:
You don't know how media or propaganda work if this is your reply, and I know you are smarter than that.RaceBannon said:
I mean they aren't in power or anything but still
Radicalization will always be there on the fringes, but giving even a modicum of actual credible mention to a Muslim registry is putting out a fire with gasoline.
Radical propaganda pre dates Trump and Obama. Those who want to blame us for what those fucking savages are doing don't get it. At all. They are true believers in a violent religion and act on it
Rather than making up shit I prefer to focus on actual actions like giving tens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state like Iran or leaving a vacuum in Iraq, Syria, and Libya that ISIS has exploited and used for propaganda purposes.
You are right, I am smarter than thatIslamChristianity is a great religion to use for that end
That is the radicalization we both should be concerned about. Which I thought you were considering your OP -
Al goes into hondo territory
Why do you run cover for a religion that is actively killing gays and women all over the world? Today
You must agree with them -
I think my problem lies in saying "Islam is a great religion to use for that end." It's objectively true, but I think its a politically (and actually) dangerous statement.RaceBannon said:That is a completely different subject than you led with. Of course it is political but religious propaganda is used to gain the political goal. And Islam is a great religion to use for that end
That is the radicalization we both should be concerned about. Which I thought you were considering your OP
Any of the Abrahamic religions are great to use for that end because they all have batshit crazy excerpts of their source materials that you can use any way you want. Target religious extremism, not "Muslims." The Catholic tradition is bathed in blood and no one is calling them savages, granted it was years ago.
You are right that it is the kind of radicalization we should be concerned about, and I think even rumors of a registry here become fact and recruitment tools there. It was mentioned by the president elect during his campaign and that is reckless, negligent, and far further than it ever should have gone, imo.
I'm sure this has spun off of the OP as these threads invariably do, but I think we've reigned it in. -
November of 2015 talking about Muslims coming to this country which I agree with. Typical Trump stream of consciousness.UWhuskytskeet said:
Why do you hate video evidence?RaceBannon said:
the only mention of a Muslim registry is a made up transition story that is patently false. So blame the loser democrats who can't get over being losers.WilburHooksHands said:
You don't know how media or propaganda work if this is your reply, and I know you are smarter than that.RaceBannon said:
I mean they aren't in power or anything but still
Radicalization will always be there on the fringes, but giving even a modicum of actual credible mention to a Muslim registry is putting out a fire with gasoline.
Radical propaganda pre dates Trump and Obama. Those who want to blame us for what those fucking savages are doing don't get it. At all. They are true believers in a violent religion and act on it
Rather than making up shit I prefer to focus on actual actions like giving tens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state like Iran or leaving a vacuum in Iraq, Syria, and Libya that ISIS has exploited and used for propaganda purposes.
You are right, I am smarter than that
If you think that is proof have at it -
Lol so words from his own mouth don't count? He was literally asked "How do you get muslims registered" and he answered "It would be good management". Then asked "Do you go to mosques to sign them up" and answered "You go to different places".RaceBannon said:
November of 2015 talking about Muslims coming to this country which I agree with. Typical Trump stream of consciousness.UWhuskytskeet said:
Why do you hate video evidence?RaceBannon said:
the only mention of a Muslim registry is a made up transition story that is patently false. So blame the loser democrats who can't get over being losers.WilburHooksHands said:
You don't know how media or propaganda work if this is your reply, and I know you are smarter than that.RaceBannon said:
I mean they aren't in power or anything but still
Radicalization will always be there on the fringes, but giving even a modicum of actual credible mention to a Muslim registry is putting out a fire with gasoline.
Radical propaganda pre dates Trump and Obama. Those who want to blame us for what those fucking savages are doing don't get it. At all. They are true believers in a violent religion and act on it
Rather than making up shit I prefer to focus on actual actions like giving tens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state like Iran or leaving a vacuum in Iraq, Syria, and Libya that ISIS has exploited and used for propaganda purposes.
You are right, I am smarter than that
If you think that is proof have at it
So is he for a muslim registry or not? Can we not take the words he says at face value? -
Shit. I've been exposed.RaceBannon said:Al goes into hondo territory
Why do you run cover for a religion that is actively killing gays and women all over the world? Today
You must agree with them
Neither Christianity or the Muslim faith is inherently either good or bad Race. Both CAN be used to cause terrible harm. On any other day you're smart enough to know this. -
Trump appears to be responding in context of immigrants. Not a good look regardless, but still not a registry of US citizens.UWhuskytskeet said:
Lol so words from his own mouth don't count? He was literally asked "How do you get muslims registered" and he answered "It would be good management". Then asked "Do you go to mosques to sign them up" and answered "You go to different places".RaceBannon said:
November of 2015 talking about Muslims coming to this country which I agree with. Typical Trump stream of consciousness.UWhuskytskeet said:
Why do you hate video evidence?RaceBannon said:
the only mention of a Muslim registry is a made up transition story that is patently false. So blame the loser democrats who can't get over being losers.WilburHooksHands said:
You don't know how media or propaganda work if this is your reply, and I know you are smarter than that.RaceBannon said:
I mean they aren't in power or anything but still
Radicalization will always be there on the fringes, but giving even a modicum of actual credible mention to a Muslim registry is putting out a fire with gasoline.
Radical propaganda pre dates Trump and Obama. Those who want to blame us for what those fucking savages are doing don't get it. At all. They are true believers in a violent religion and act on it
Rather than making up shit I prefer to focus on actual actions like giving tens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state like Iran or leaving a vacuum in Iraq, Syria, and Libya that ISIS has exploited and used for propaganda purposes.
You are right, I am smarter than that
If you think that is proof have at it
So is he for a muslim registry or not? Can we not take the words he says at face value?
Unfortunately, FDR and his Supreme Court laid some precedence for this with Japanese internment. -
Truth is what we need to faceWilburHooksHands said:
I think my problem lies in saying "Islam is a great religion to use for that end." It's objectively true, but I think its a politically (and actually) dangerous statement.RaceBannon said:That is a completely different subject than you led with. Of course it is political but religious propaganda is used to gain the political goal. And Islam is a great religion to use for that end
That is the radicalization we both should be concerned about. Which I thought you were considering your OP
Any of the Abrahamic religions are great to use for that end because they all have batshit crazy excerpts of their source materials that you can use any way you want. Target religious extremism, not "Muslims." The Catholic tradition is bathed in blood and no one is calling them savages, granted it was years ago.
You are right that it is the kind of radicalization we should be concerned about, and I think even rumors of a registry here become fact and recruitment tools there. It was mentioned by the president elect during his campaign and that is reckless, negligent, and far further than it ever should have gone, imo.
I'm sure this has spun off of the OP as these threads invariably do, but I think we've reigned it in.
I'm not worried about the Crusades or the Inquisition because Jews and Christians have calmed the fuck down and we have a government based on the separation of church and state and I like it.
We do have a religion with the end game of a Caliphate which is opposed to everything you and I believe in.
What Trump said in the campaign has nothing to do with it. By now when he governs we will have less "refugees" from areas we can't vet which when you look at Europe is a good thing in my opinion. You may or may not agree.
This is for skeet as well.
Rather than engaging in false equivalencies and trying to score political points, we need to find a solution.
I'd prefer to sit here and ignore the whole thing. But these guys are true believers every bit as much as the Nazis. Let's not confuse where the hate lays. -
Truly the enemy of the American Way.RaceBannon said:
Truth is what we need to faceWilburHooksHands said:
I think my problem lies in saying "Islam is a great religion to use for that end." It's objectively true, but I think its a politically (and actually) dangerous statement.RaceBannon said:That is a completely different subject than you led with. Of course it is political but religious propaganda is used to gain the political goal. And Islam is a great religion to use for that end
That is the radicalization we both should be concerned about. Which I thought you were considering your OP
Any of the Abrahamic religions are great to use for that end because they all have batshit crazy excerpts of their source materials that you can use any way you want. Target religious extremism, not "Muslims." The Catholic tradition is bathed in blood and no one is calling them savages, granted it was years ago.
You are right that it is the kind of radicalization we should be concerned about, and I think even rumors of a registry here become fact and recruitment tools there. It was mentioned by the president elect during his campaign and that is reckless, negligent, and far further than it ever should have gone, imo.
I'm sure this has spun off of the OP as these threads invariably do, but I think we've reigned it in.
I'm not worried about the Crusades or the Inquisition because Jews and Christians have calmed the fuck down and we have a government based on the separation of church and state and I like it.
We do have a religion with the end game of a Caliphate which is opposed to everything you and I believe in.
What Trump said in the campaign has nothing to do with it. By now when he governs we will have less "refugees" from areas we can't vet which when you look at Europe is a good thing in my opinion. You may or may not agree.
This is for skeet as well.
Rather than engaging in false equivalencies and trying to score political points, we need to find a solution.
I'd prefer to sit here and ignore the whole thing. But these guys are true believers every bit as much as the Nazis. Let's not confuse where the hate lays.
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The supreme court has also ruled that black slaves were property and not citizens. Internment was fucked up then and a registry would be fucked up now.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Trump appears to be responding in context of immigrants. Not a good look regardless, but still not a registry of US citizens.UWhuskytskeet said:
Lol so words from his own mouth don't count? He was literally asked "How do you get muslims registered" and he answered "It would be good management". Then asked "Do you go to mosques to sign them up" and answered "You go to different places".RaceBannon said:
November of 2015 talking about Muslims coming to this country which I agree with. Typical Trump stream of consciousness.UWhuskytskeet said:
Why do you hate video evidence?RaceBannon said:
the only mention of a Muslim registry is a made up transition story that is patently false. So blame the loser democrats who can't get over being losers.WilburHooksHands said:
You don't know how media or propaganda work if this is your reply, and I know you are smarter than that.RaceBannon said:
I mean they aren't in power or anything but still
Radicalization will always be there on the fringes, but giving even a modicum of actual credible mention to a Muslim registry is putting out a fire with gasoline.
Radical propaganda pre dates Trump and Obama. Those who want to blame us for what those fucking savages are doing don't get it. At all. They are true believers in a violent religion and act on it
Rather than making up shit I prefer to focus on actual actions like giving tens of billions of dollars to a terrorist state like Iran or leaving a vacuum in Iraq, Syria, and Libya that ISIS has exploited and used for propaganda purposes.
You are right, I am smarter than that
If you think that is proof have at it
So is he for a muslim registry or not? Can we not take the words he says at face value?
Unfortunately, FDR and his Supreme Court laid some precedence for this with Japanese internment.
The recently murdered Justice Scalia had this to say about the dissenting opinion for Korematsu v. United States:And regarding the wartime internment of Japanese-Americans, Scalia said, “It was nice to know that at least somebody on the court realized that that was wrong.”
