"Explosive Play" Pete comment
In the post game press conf, Pete said he thought it would be a low scoring game, and we didn't hit enough explosive plays to get it done.
When I hear stuff like that, (and is something both him and JS have talked about since they've been here) I want to drink a gallon of mercury as they seem imo to be hung up on that.
If that's how you feel then
#1) You better recruit a qb who can throw it over 40 yards and hit the wr in stride (not Jake's strong suit)
#2) Have a rb with elite, home run speed (not who Gaskin is)
#3) Recruit a wr every year who can run sub 4.3 like Ross
#4) Not recruit a bunch of 6-3 Stringfellow size guys who can go over the middle and make catches like this wr class is
The better team won tonight, but this offense has been so good at grinding it down the field on teams via run and the short/intermediate passing game, yet it feels like JS doesn't believe we can win unless there's 2-4 of those type plays a game and he is going to keep calling them until he gets there.
There is a reason the completion percentage on go routes (or bombs as they were called back in the day) is around 20%.
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Look to how the Saints beat the Seahawks as a perfect example.
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The explosive plays will are great but tend to happen organically if you chip away a defense (like SC did) but JSfs persists in trying to make them happen.
Feels like watching Sark call plays but without the bubble screens. Not using the options you have open, ignoring the short passes and trying to go long into double coverage.
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@Dennis_DeYoung said it perfectly in the game thread last night. Explosive plays are correlative, not causal.section8 said:The explosive plays will are great but tend to happen organically if you chip away a defense (like SC did) but JSfs persists in trying to make them happen.
Feels like watching Sark call plays but without the bubble screens. Not using the options you have open, ignoring the short passes and trying to go long into double coverage. -
John Ross wishes Eason was throwing to him
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Classy
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Pete's playbook
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Or you could just hire a real OC.godawgst said:
In the post game press conf, Pete said he thought it would be a low scoring game, and we didn't hit enough explosive plays to get it done.
When I hear stuff like that, (and is something both him and JS have talked about since they've been here) I want to drink a gallon of mercury as they seem imo to be hung up on that.
If that's how you feel then
#1) You better recruit a qb who can throw it over 40 yards and hit the wr in stride (not Jake's strong suit)
#2) Have a rb with elite, home run speed (not who Gaskin is)
#3) Recruit a wr every year who can run sub 4.3 like Ross
#4) Not recruit a bunch of 6-3 Stringfellow size guys who can go over the middle and make catches like this wr class is
The better team won tonight, but this offense has been so good at grinding it down the field on teams via run and the short/intermediate passing game, yet it feels like JS doesn't believe we can win unless there's 2-4 of those type plays a game and he is going to keep calling them until he gets there.
There is a reason the completion percentage on go routes (or bombs as they were called back in the day) is around 20%. -
He's not wrong in the sense that we simply missed a large amount of explosive plays last night. WRs were getting open deep and Jake either missed them or they didn't sell out to catch the ball. But there was no reason for us to rely on those throws all game to begin with. Our tendency to get cute finally caught up with us and bit us in the ass. Sometimes we need to have a little more David Shaw in our gameplan and just fuck the defense in the ass when they know it's coming.
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Up vote on tendency to get cute quote. Missing go routes vs. Cal/Rutgers/etc no big deal. Last night they killed us. I believe this team's offensive calling card could be their ability to run it, but gun to head, we are a pass first team who is in love with the notion that explosive plays HAVE to be part of the game plan.GreenRiverGatorz said:He's not wrong in the sense that we simply missed a large amount of explosive plays last night. WRs were getting open deep and Jake either missed them or they didn't sell out to catch the ball. But there was no reason for us to rely on those throws all game to begin with. Our tendency to get cute finally caught up with us and bit us in the ass. Sometimes we need to have a little more David Shaw in our gameplan and just fuck the defense in the ass when they know it's coming.
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Like what is called "'smash-mouth" football, versus Smiffy's superfantastic trickery specials, that his players cannot execute?GreenRiverGatorz said:He's not wrong in the sense that we simply missed a large amount of explosive plays last night. WRs were getting open deep and Jake either missed them or they didn't sell out to catch the ball. But there was no reason for us to rely on those throws all game to begin with. Our tendency to get cute finally caught up with us and bit us in the ass. Sometimes we need to have a little more David Shaw in our gameplan and just fuck the defense in the ass when they know it's coming.
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What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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Fuck you and your fucking cbb shitickThomasFremont said:
No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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Better than whatever it is you do.backthepack said:
Fuck you and your fucking cbb shitickThomasFremont said:
No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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I enjoy CBB but christThomasFremont said:
Better than whatever it is you do.backthepack said:
Fuck you and your fucking cbb shitickThomasFremont said:
No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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I'd enjoy it if you decided to LEAVE!backthepack said:
I enjoy CBB but christThomasFremont said:
Better than whatever it is you do.backthepack said:
Fuck you and your fucking cbb shitickThomasFremont said:
No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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Grandpa Sankey has a better view of our personnel than Smith does, apparently.backthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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Higher discussionThomasFremont said:
I'd enjoy it if you decided to LEAVE!backthepack said:
I enjoy CBB but christThomasFremont said:
Better than whatever it is you do.backthepack said:
Fuck you and your fucking cbb shitickThomasFremont said:
No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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Wrong bored, new fish.backthepack said:
Higher disscussionThomasFremont said:
I'd enjoy it if you decided to LEAVE!backthepack said:
I enjoy CBB but christThomasFremont said:
Better than whatever it is you do.backthepack said:
Fuck you and your fucking cbb shitickThomasFremont said:
No one fucking cares fuck offbackthepack said:What he doesn't realize is he doesn't have a fucking dynamic Russell Wilson-esque QB. Looking at our personnel we should be a ball control march is down your throat type of offense. We have one of the best lines in the conf. they really had no chance to get in rythm as we never ran the ball. A deadly accaurate QB throwing with 20 yards and WRs who can open on any type of intermediate route. He needs to learn there is a time and place for an explosive and he built an offense around a QB who can't make plays with his legs and can't throw a good deep ball.
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Biggest missed explosive play was the double pass, but Pettis isn't a QB. I yelled at the tv, but WR's will sometimes throw shitty passes or panic, which Pettis did.
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You cannot have an offense designed for the OPPOSITE of what your players can do well and expect to do well.
There isn't any ambiguity about Smith not getting it at this point. Pete doesn't get it either. Chunk plays are a product of a good offense, not the catalyst for one.
Our offense vs. Stanford was masterful. Against Oregon State, Cal and now USC it was a farce waiting to be exploited. -
It's pretty simple. Explosive plays work a lot against shit defenses. Against teams with athletes like USC you might get one or two a game but they will shut down everything else.
