Is or was Coleman under utilized?..
Coleman might actually get to 1000 yards on the season. Gaskin will get there, but Coleman May actually make it.
600 yards at 9.1 yards per carry, 4 games left and now Gaskin is dinged up
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Over the past 30 years, have we ever seen such a dramatic transformation of a running back at UW? Two years ago I viewed him as filler. More or less the way I view Dotson now. But now when I see Coleman take a handoff I'm excited to see what will happen.
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NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Why not run and re run Coleman all night long for 20 carries. Rest Gaskin and let him get heathy for USC
Coleman might actually get to 1000 yards on the season. Gaskin will get there, but Coleman May actually make it.
600 yards at 9.1 yards per carry, 6 games left and now Gaskin is dinged up -
No joke. Even last year Coleman was cement shoes. Serious props to Socha.DerekJohnson said:Over the past 30 years, have we ever seen such a dramatic transformation of a running back at UW? Two years ago I viewed him as filler. More or less the way I view Dotson now. But now when I see Coleman take a handoff I'm excited to see what will happen.
The only development even semi similar I can recall is Louis Rankin his senior year, but he had flashed a number of times just never put it together until his senior year. And he wasn't as good as Coleman is now.
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I agree, I'd like to see Coleman running more. Maybe they thought Cal was weaker against the pass then they were against the run, so we ran more.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Why not run and re run Coleman all night long for 20 carries. Rest Gaskin and let him get heathy for USC
Coleman might actually get to 1000 yards on the season. Gaskin will get there, but Coleman May actually make it.
600 yards at 9.1 yards per carry, 4 games left and now Gaskin is dinged up
But how cool would it be to have two backs getting 1,000 yards in a season? I can only dream. -
That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
After looking at the box score I guess we(?) ran more than I thought. It just felt like we(?) could have bludgeoned them on the ground early and often if we(?) wanted. -
There was no reason to run against Cal.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen. -
Yea lets run the ball against a team who pretty much plays without any DBs.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
After looking at the box score I guess we(?) ran more than I thought. It just felt like we(?) could have bludgeoned them on the ground early and often if we(?) wanted.
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I like the Gaskin wildcat call in the fourth quarter. That was money.
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There's always a reason to run.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
There was no reason to run against Cal.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
No better way to demoralize a team than to just kick the shit out of them on the ground. -
Gaskin only avged 15 YPC so good call on your part.CuntWaffle said:
Yea lets run the ball against a team who pretty much plays without any DBs.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
After looking at the box score I guess we(?) ran more than I thought. It just felt like we(?) could have bludgeoned them on the ground early and often if we(?) wanted.
Good call.
No way to win with that little effectiveness.
Dumbass. -
But still...mobey said:CuntWaffle said:
Yea lets run the ball against a team who pretty much plays without any DBs.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
After looking at the box score I guess we(?) ran more than I thought. It just felt like we(?) could have bludgeoned them on the ground early and often if we(?) wanted.
Good call.GaskinCement Shoes only avged 15 YPC so good call on your part.
No way to win with that little effectiveness.
Dumbass. -
I like to bitch about how my undefeated team is underutilizing a bench player during blowouts.
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How excited?DerekJohnson said:Over the past 30 years, have we ever seen such a dramatic transformation of a running back at UW? Two years ago I viewed him as filler. More or less the way I view Dotson now. But now when I see Coleman take a handoff I'm excited to see what will happen.
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Passion said:
How excited?DerekJohnson said:Over the past 30 years, have we ever seen such a dramatic transformation of a running back at UW? Two years ago I viewed him as filler. More or less the way I view Dotson now. But now when I see Coleman take a handoff I'm excited to see what will happen.
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Lol you don't get it clearly.mobey said:
Gaskin only avged 15 YPC so good call on your part.CuntWaffle said:
Yea lets run the ball against a team who pretty much plays without any DBs.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
After looking at the box score I guess we(?) ran more than I thought. It just felt like we(?) could have bludgeoned them on the ground early and often if we(?) wanted.
Good call.
No way to win with that little effectiveness.
Dumbass. -
Cal was literally the worst team in the country against the run. But still.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
There was no reason to run against Cal.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen. -
quiet down. all the "shit on john smith even when we score 66" crowd is gonna get angryCuntWaffle said:
Yea lets run the ball against a team who pretty much plays without any DBs.mobey said:That would require us(?) to, you know, RUN THE FUCKING BALL.
And we know that will never happen.
After looking at the box score I guess we(?) ran more than I thought. It just felt like we(?) could have bludgeoned them on the ground early and often if we(?) wanted.
Good call.
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He's a very different back now. Faster, leaner, more aggressive.DerekJohnson said:Over the past 30 years, have we ever seen such a dramatic transformation of a running back at UW? Two years ago I viewed him as filler. More or less the way I view Dotson now. But now when I see Coleman take a handoff I'm excited to see what will happen.
The new strength and conditioning coaches are earning their paychecks.
But imagine if Ivan had gotten ahold of him! -
*, because that's what I do.doogie said:I like to bitch about how my undefeated team is underutilizing a bench player during blowouts.
Fixed it for ya. -
I was a big supporter of Lavon's in HS. In 2014 I thought he would take the job and he looked pretty good the first couple games, but then he got hesitant and lost confidence.
I would say the biggest change is his confidence. I know Socha and the training staff has done a great job, but the reason he looked slow early was because he's a one-cut back and early in his career he was dancing around and making multiple cuts. He got bottled up a lot. Didn't run hard consistently, etc.
Fast-forward 2 years (seems like longer) and he's making one cut and exploding. A lot of that has to do with Bonapha and emphasis on being consistent in giving top effort.
We saw flashes of it his freshman year, but in 2016 it's so awesome to see a kid actually GET BETTER.
So much of the Sark/Neu bullshit was predicated on denying that players could improve that much. Just throw them out there and if they aren't great, run them out of the program and find new guys. It was a way to justify them playing with their new toys and explain why they were playing a bunch of freshmen who should've redshirted (wouldn't it be fun to have Cory Littleton on this team? Or Joe Mathis, Daniels and KevKing back next year?)
Lavon Coleman is in the year (his redshirt junior year) where most players should start to see the lights come on unless they are truly exceptional. Physically they are mature, mentally they are mature, and they've had 3 years in the program to learn what they are supposed to do. Under DJ, I know the mantra was that they should play when they are RS-Sophs and start when they are RS-Jrs.
Now that we have a good (probably great) coach, I'm going to have to retire* the Sark ideal of ragging kids out when they first play and don't look amazing. We're going to have to wait for RS-Jr years and then see.
It's a weird new world, but Coleman isn't really doing anything but fulfilling the promise he showed at Hawaii in '14. He's just gotten more decisive, more confident, bigger, faster and stronger.
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* ensures Dotson will be all conference in two years so we can bump this post and make fun of DennisDennis_DeYoung said:I was a big supporter of Lavon's in HS. In 2014 I thought he would take the job and he looked pretty good the first couple games, but then he got hesitant and lost confidence.
I would say the biggest change is his confidence. I know Socha and the training staff has done a great job, but the reason he looked slow early was because he's a one-cut back and early in his career he was dancing around and making multiple cuts. He got bottled up a lot. Didn't run hard consistently, etc.
Fast-forward 2 years (seems like longer) and he's making one cut and exploding. A lot of that has to do with Bonapha and emphasis on being consistent in giving top effort.
We saw flashes of it his freshman year, but in 2016 it's so awesome to see a kid actually GET BETTER.
So much of the Sark/Neu bullshit was predicated on denying that players could improve that much. Just throw them out there and if they aren't great, run them out of the program and find new guys. It was a way to justify them playing with their new toys and explain why they were playing a bunch of freshmen who should've redshirted (wouldn't it be fun to have Cory Littleton on this team? Or Joe Mathis, Daniels and KevKing back next year?)
Lavon Coleman is in the year (his redshirt junior year) where most players should start to see the lights come on unless they are truly exceptional. Physically they are mature, mentally they are mature, and they've had 3 years in the program to learn what they are supposed to do. Under DJ, I know the mantra was that they should play when they are RS-Sophs and start when they are RS-Jrs.
Now that we have a good (probably great) coach, I'm going to have to retire* the Sark ideal of ragging kids out when they first play and don't look amazing. We're going to have to wait for RS-Jr years and then see.
It's a weird new world, but Coleman isn't really doing anything but fulfilling the promise he showed at Hawaii in '14. He's just gotten more decisive, more confident, bigger, faster and stronger.
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Nailed it Dennis and it means something coming from you as you've been pretty guilty of kicking guys to the curb (figuratively but as an influential internet analyst) early in their career. I think we're all still scrubbing off some of the stain from years of gobbling up a shit product.
Good/great recruiting means you find a few amazing players in every class who can have a real impact as teenagers, but most of them start to show up in their third year when they start to grow up and shine in their 4th. RN and Sark never understood this, and TyGilby...well it just didn't matter. -
To be fair, we were always right to kick guys to the curb. If they weren't playing by their R-Fr season they sucked. I remember dogman poster saying "Potato, Kohler, Criste, etc were only sophomores, but unless you were an idiot, you already knew they were worthless.
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I hate this board after a blowout road win against a team that was previously undefeated at home.
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@DerekJohnson @NeGgaPlEaSe they give Coleman a bunch of carries when they think the defense is worn out (which they usually are). That's why his allotment is so uneven. Gaskin is still your most consistent back in every situation.
I agree though he is a fucking beast and I am thankful he didn't vag out along with Not a Dry Eye. -
Talking about my buddy Yaledawg? Yeah he was bad about that. I think he watched a lot of practices or something and seemed to know more about the players who weren't playing yet...or at least he was good at acting like he knew. I argued with him about a fair # of young players and turned out to be wrong in every case. I still think that the only reason he was always right, though, is that we were arguing about players who Sark and staff had already given up on and weren't even coaching or treating like part of the program anymore. The staff was so unprofessional that they let Kim et al be privy to this kind of info and it made its way to posters like Yaledawg who were in tight with them.RoadDawg55 said:To be fair, we were always right to kick guys to the curb. If they weren't playing by their R-Fr season they sucked. I remember dogman poster saying "Potato, Kohler, Criste, etc were only sophomores, but unless you were an idiot, you already knew they were worthless.
