It's freedom of speech, until it's not
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Your employer can fire your ass for shit like this and it isn't a constitutional issue.
However, the MLB Players Union is baddass. He gets paid even if they do fire his ass -
Do you even have a basic concept of the freedom of speech clause?topdawgnc said:
Here's a hint: if you say stupid shit, your employer can fire you. -
Shit thread, shit poster.
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Glad Clev was suspended, that shit has no place in sports.
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Every action has a consequence.
When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.
His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.
But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.
In your heart, you know I'm right. -
They'll still have to pay the remainder of his contract, but by no means do they need to continue to employ him. They can do the same if it went the other way. The Mariners are weighing the media here. They know if they keep him, they'll get media backlash. Release him, and they stay out of the press. Pretty easy call on their part right or wrong.
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This is one of those discussions that comes down to the scope of how each individual participating in the discussion is viewing "freedom of speech". There are two types:
1) People who see that the person's ability to speak freely was not illegally lessened.
2) People who see that the person's ability to speak freely were physically lessened.
Both views are correct, and both views can fit under the idea of "free speech". The consequence of losing a job does factor into whether or not a person will say something, but that is not a violation of a person's constitutional rights. These arguments are basically just a bunch of people saying
"I'm type 1"
"Well ur dumb, cause I'm type 2"
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The media types want athletes to get involved and speak out.topdawgnc said:Every action has a consequence.
When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.
His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.
But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.
In your heart, you know I'm right.
As long as it is the correct speaking out.
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With that said... Everytime Portland takes the lead in Pussification Cup.... Seattle comes roaring back!!!!doogsinparadise said:Glad
ClevKaep was suspended, that shit has no place in sports. -
He sucks. Cut him. Use this excuse to further some bullshit Mariners Care committee agenda item and use the open roster spot to build the team with a young guy
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He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?
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NFL is the No fun league. All business. Show up on Sunday, do your job. It's one thing that set the league apart from others. The NFL is the cause. They've lost control of that and it's affecting them in the ratings.
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Can't expect the Mariners to be competitive with Clev tweeting stuff like that in THIS economy.
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While I'm not one to defend BLM, these are just some dumb tweets by a dumb person. Should be fired just for being such a fucking dummy. Christ dude.
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I'm all for someone "prominent" ...... if you will.... raising the issues he's describing.doogsinparadise said:He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?
But dude. Don't get drunk on the disabled list and tweet about locking animals in cages and expect anything less. -
If you are rioting in the streets and breaking shit, you are a fucking animal no matter what your pussy, pinko, civics class taught you.doogsinparadise said:He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?
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We like to call him "Clev". It's what we like to do.
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We're actually all animals. #evolution
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Very passive aggressive, Der.DerekJohnson said:We like to call him "Clev". It's what we like to do.
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We should compliment the people for what they did?phineas said:While I'm not one to defend BLM, these are just some dumb tweets by a dumb person. Should be fired just for being such a fucking dummy. Christ dude.
Rioting, dragging people, and burning the city ...
You are an animal.
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If were gonna bash people for bringing attention to important shit, I'm out
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Whether or not you agree with what he says you'd think someone as shitty at baseball as he is would be smart enough to keep his mouth shut and not risk his career like this. Idiot
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Except you don't know that. If you can point to an athlete tweeting in support of rioting, looting, or locking up all cops and not facing any punishment I'll give this one to you.topdawgnc said:Every action has a consequence.
When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.
His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.
But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.
In your heart, you know I'm right.
