Washington feeling the Bern
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It's harder to rig caucuses. You can't make people wait five hours to vote I guess.
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Who cares. With all the super delegates it's not like he's gonna pick up any ground
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I care. I want to see Bernie actually beat Hildabeast in real delegates, so that when the super delegates gift her the nomination it will be clear to everyone that she lost, but through DNC corruption was given it anyway.dhdawg said:Who cares. With all the super delegates it's not like he's gonna pick up any ground
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There is a very real chance in this election that the two winners (Trump, Sanders) will be robbed of their respective nominations via super delegates and brokered conventions. And the parties act flabbergasted as to why so many millions of people are sick of them and voting angry. Yeah, I wonder why. Assholes.
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Hillary is focusing her time on the winner take all states.Swaye said:
I care. I want to see Bernie actually beat Hildabeast in real delegates, so that when the super delegates gift her the nomination it will be clear to everyone that she lost, but through DNC corruption was given it anyway.dhdawg said:Who cares. With all the super delegates it's not like he's gonna pick up any ground
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Is CA winner take all?2001400ex said:
Hillary is focusing her time on the winner take all states.Swaye said:
I care. I want to see Bernie actually beat Hildabeast in real delegates, so that when the super delegates gift her the nomination it will be clear to everyone that she lost, but through DNC corruption was given it anyway.dhdawg said:Who cares. With all the super delegates it's not like he's gonna pick up any ground
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No it goes by congressional district.Swaye said:
Is CA winner take all?2001400ex said:
Hillary is focusing her time on the winner take all states.Swaye said:
I care. I want to see Bernie actually beat Hildabeast in real delegates, so that when the super delegates gift her the nomination it will be clear to everyone that she lost, but through DNC corruption was given it anyway.dhdawg said:Who cares. With all the super delegates it's not like he's gonna pick up any ground
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That was probably Bernie's best chance to eek out a win there and gobble up like 300 delegates (or however many of them are). I would assume the states that haven't voted yet look good for Bernie. I just want to see him top her in real delegates so the political machine that is the DNC can be exposed. I want the same thing for the GOP because I get the sense they are going to do everything they can to stop Trump, even though it is clear he is going to the convention ahead.topdawgnc said:
No it goes by congressional district.Swaye said:
Is CA winner take all?2001400ex said:
Hillary is focusing her time on the winner take all states.Swaye said:
I care. I want to see Bernie actually beat Hildabeast in real delegates, so that when the super delegates gift her the nomination it will be clear to everyone that she lost, but through DNC corruption was given it anyway.dhdawg said:Who cares. With all the super delegates it's not like he's gonna pick up any ground
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The baseball month of April is always special.
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Finally a candidate Hillary can beatPurpleJ said:
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All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you. -
Fuck off.HFNY said:All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you. -
Lol that's awesome. Yes totally Obama and Democratic Congress fault for more student loans.HFNY said:All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you.
While Bernie's plan is fucktarded, if you have too much student debt and can't get a job. Try sucking at life less. -
Uh, if it wasn't the President and a Democratic Congress who passed the legislation, then who did?2001400ex said:
Lol that's awesome. Yes totally Obama and Democratic Congress fault for more student loans.HFNY said:All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you.
While Bernie's plan is fucktarded, if you have too much student debt and can't get a job. Try sucking at life less. -
Show me the legislation you speak of. Komo4 buttfucker.HFNY said:Uh, if it wasn't the President and a Democratic Congress who passed the legislation, then who did?
2001400ex said:
Lol that's awesome. Yes totally Obama and Democratic Congress fault for more student loans.HFNY said:All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you.
While Bernie's plan is fucktarded, if you have too much student debt and can't get a job. Try sucking at life less. -
Tell me, who was responsible for the massive increase in Federal loans if it wasn't Obama and Congress?2001400ex said:
Show me the legislation you speak of. Komo4 buttfucker.HFNY said:Uh, if it wasn't the President and a Democratic Congress who passed the legislation, then who did?
2001400ex said:
Lol that's awesome. Yes totally Obama and Democratic Congress fault for more student loans.HFNY said:All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you.
While Bernie's plan is fucktarded, if you have too much student debt and can't get a job. Try sucking at life less. -
Don't let the dumbass students who majored in cuntwaffling off the hook. Personal responsibility counts.
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Oh and the legislation was from early 2010:
https://gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ152/pdf/PLAW-111publ152.pdf -
The increases have happened under Obama because of the skyrocketing costs of tuition. When GWs and the R's were in charge, interest rates were 2 to 3x what they are now, so people borrowed less. Truth is that encouragement of heavy borrowing started under Bill Clinton. He erroneously called it "financial aid" and trumpeted the increase in student loan availability a good thing. He did some good things about student loans under Sallie Mae, transferring a bunch to the Dept of Ed, reducing default rates. But more money chasing the same thing resulted in inflation and more borrowing. Like with healthcare, nobody was addressing costs. It actually took a Republican legislator in WA to get our state college tuitions reduced, so the Dems have egg all over their face on this. Maybe if they understood economics, this wouldn't happen.
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I'm curious why you hate private student loan debt. You post the chart like student debt is exploding but that's only federal debt.HFNY said:Oh and the legislation was from early 2010:
https://gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ152/pdf/PLAW-111publ152.pdf
The bill you referenced basically changed it from private debt guaranteed by the feds to debt administered by the feds. Then you list a fucktarded misleading chart.
Nice work.
The Congressional Budget Office's last estimate predicted that if both bills were passed into law in 2010, the net reduction in federal deficits would be $143 billion over the 2010–2019 period as a result of the proposed changes in direct spending and revenues. That figure comprises $124 billion in net reductions deriving from the health care and revenue provisions and $19 billion in net reductions deriving from the education provisions.[26] -
How is this surprising at all? Seattle is the #1 area of support for Bernie in the entire nation. You are blind if you didn't see this coming.
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Do you realize the 2010 law specifically ended the practice of the federal government giving subsidies to private banks to make student loans, and instead the DOE took over that entire process? So yeah, no shit your graphic shows that the federal direct student loan debt skyrocketed. That's quite a load of misleading bullshit you're spewing. The more intellectually honest thing to do (if you're capable of that) is to look at all student debt, not just the cherry picked stats on federal student loan debt that conveniently fits your narrative. Here's a handy graphic:HFNY said:Uh, if it wasn't the President and a Democratic Congress who passed the legislation, then who did?
2001400ex said:
Lol that's awesome. Yes totally Obama and Democratic Congress fault for more student loans.HFNY said:All Washingtonians should be embarrassed.
Starting in 2009, Obama and a Congress under Democratic control shoveled hundreds of billions of more loans to kids for college. Now many of them have crushing debt burdens, which hinders their ability to buy their first house and participate fully (if at all) in their 401(ks) or their own IRAs. I'd also argue that their credit scores are lower (raising any financing costs across the board) which hurts their future efforts to start their own businesses (small businesses create most new jobs). Obviously the kids (and their families) bear some responsibility but I hold the Federal Government more so because it is taxpayer money.
So instead of trying to reform and right size the Federal Government, Bernie Sanders wants to double down on foolish policies and increase spending by $18 trillion? Royally screw things up, help put young adults behind the 8 ball, and then tell them you'll save them if they only vote for you.
While Bernie's plan is fucktarded, if you have too much student debt and can't get a job. Try sucking at life less.
You'll notice that the student debt has been steadily rising every single year for decades now. Trying to paint this as a newly created Obama problem is just a flat out lie. Now you can of course criticize him and his administration for doing absolutely nothing effective in curbing student debt, and the fact that the federal government continues to run a multi-billion dollar profit every year from student loans is a fucking sham. But drop this nonsense you're peddling about Obama creating the student debt crisis. -
Your graph doesn't match your rhetoric
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I regret starting this thread and attracting the resident libertarian fucksticks.
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I stopped reading after this. Tuition is sky rocketing because it can. Because there is no cap on the availability of funds, evidenced by @TheChart (and common fucking sense)TurdBuffer said:The increases have happened under Obama because of the skyrocketing costs of tuition. When GWs and the R's were in charge, interest rates were 2 to 3x what they are now, so people borrowed less. Truth is that encouragement of heavy borrowing started under Bill Clinton. He erroneously called it "financial aid" and trumpeted the increase in student loan availability a good thing. He did some good things about student loans under Sallie Mae, transferring a bunch to the Dept of Ed, reducing default rates. But more money chasing the same thing resulted in inflation and more borrowing. Like with healthcare, nobody was addressing costs. It actually took a Republican legislator in WA to get our state college tuitions reduced, so the Dems have egg all over their face on this. Maybe if they understood economics, this wouldn't happen.
You have all these predatory lenders telling pimply faced kids, "don't worry, catch us later." Then lobbing for laws that absolve themselves of the risk of lending to pimply faced teenagers.
If you were serious about real change in education affordability, you wouldn't just give it away for 'free' either. Somebody (the taxpayers) will have to pay for it and thus no cap on the availability of funds. If you wanted real change, you would change the laws so lenders share in the responsibility of bad loans.
Sure it would suck that not as many people would be able to go to college right away. But scholastic institutions would be forced to lower costs to get more students to attend. Then students would be able to afford to go whilst working a part-time job, sans the debt load that creates a lifetime of financial imprisonment.
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Tuition has skyrocketed the last 7 years because states cut funding for higher education and schools were forced to make up the difference through tuition.pawz said:
I stopped reading after this. Tuition is sky rocketing because it can. Because there is no cap on the availability of funds, evidenced by @TheChart (and common fucking sense)
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I hear you and acknowledged that. Bernie Sanders clearly doesn't believe in it and would further deemphasize personal accountability if President.PurpleJ said:
Don't let the dumbass students who majored in cuntwaffling off the hook. Personal responsibility counts.
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This makes me think you didn't read a damn thing I wrote. The cost is being transferred to student's because there is no cap to available funds. The state is adhering to a budget, and lenders are happy to give loans that are un-pardonable. Why does higher education care to reign in costs if the money is constantly forthcoming?UWhuskytskeet said:
Tuition has skyrocketed the last 7 years because states cut funding for higher education and schools were forced to make up the difference through tuition.pawz said:
I stopped reading after this. Tuition is sky rocketing because it can. Because there is no cap on the availability of funds, evidenced by @TheChart (and common fucking sense) -
Education has turned in to a business and it shouldn't be. It's a public good.
