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    bananasnblondesbananasnblondes Member Posts: 14,921
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    Winning big? Everyone is happy.

    Losing like crazy? Everyone is mad.

    Mediocre? Doogs find something to point to as evidence for next year being different (youth! SRS! bumper crop in recruiting!), and Half Brains are chided for being too unreasonable and impatient for expecting more.

    I just want to remind everyone that the doogs have been wrong and the half brains have been right for almost two fucking decades.

    Fuck off.


    Mediocrity sucks"
    -the guy with Romar's cock 10 inches down his throat
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    haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,570
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    Petersen needs to win the conference next year or he should be fired, if the expectation is that he is an elite coach. And yeah, I can see the argument that he's already failed here.

    The metrics aren't showing that the huskies reside in a complete dogshit, wannabe championship-level conference where if you have a good/great defense and a FUCKING AVERAGE offense then you will compete for the conference at a minimum.

    Petersen should seriously be laughing at these pussy defenses that other teams put out, running the fucking ball with some play-action, and letting all these shitty teams beat themselves. It should be Stanford and UW fighting for the division/conference at this point until Oregon finds a defense and a quarterback that isn't Lockie.
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,576
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    PurpleJ said:

    What does equivocate mean?

    It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
    Come on man. You know I can't read.
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    DardanusDardanus Member Posts: 2,623
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    Tequilla called out for equivocating ... he responds with a wall of waffling bullshit. You can't make this up, people.


    e·quiv·o·cate
    əˈkwivəˌkāt/
    verb
    gerund or present participle: equivocating
    use ambiguous language so as to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself.
    "“Not that we are aware of,” she equivocated"
    synonyms: prevaricate, be evasive, be noncommittal, be vague, be ambiguous, dodge the question, beat around the bush, hedge; More
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    HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    And 2 of those 15 years are tied to Petersen.

    1st year was primarily a change in culture and 2nd a change in roster.

    I get the frustration of the last 15 years but at maximum only 2-3 of those 15 years have any bearing on the 2016 season.

    If the Huskies go 7-6 next year, you will start the year by saying "10 wins or its time for a change", and at season's end you'll be equivocating like crazy. That's the script. It's what you like to do.
    That's a complete BS statement and you know it.

    You always need to look back at a year in retrospect and understand what happened and how what happened differed from the underlying assumptions you had in your forecast. Sometimes what happens is very explainable. Sometimes it is just a flat out miss in the underlying assumptions.

    Last year I was about as spot on on my season predictions as you could get calling 7-6. The only area that I missed was being optimistic with a 5-4 conference record and a bowl loss while stating that I thought that 4-5 and a minor bowl win was probably more realistic. I also stated that the high end of what I thought was possible was in the 8-9 range.

    Unlike a lot of people around here, I don't back down from my predictions. Pointing out what was different about what happened and my underlying assumptions isn't dooging it up or whatever other BS others say. Failure to adhere to my assumptions isn't necessarily grounds for an automatic firing like others would have. I very well understand that I am aggressive in my goal setting and by making stretch goals make it far more difficult to achieve them than not.
    You're a bit delusional. With one or two exceptions, I have never seen a poster equivocate as much as you do.
    Find the delusion in what I stated for my season prediction for 2015: http://hardcorehusky.com/forums/#/discussion/21619/time-to-embarrass-yourself-again-predict-uws-2015-team-record/p1

    2-1 OOC

    Win: Oregon St, and Wazzu
    Win: 2 of 3 of Cal, Arizona, and Utah at home
    Win: 1 road conference game not named Oregon St

    I'm being optimistic that we finish 5-4 in conference and lose a bowl game. Would not be surprised if it was 4-5 in conference with bowl win.

    Either way it will be interesting


    As for equivocating, tells me that you either a) read into my comments what you want to, b) aren't paying attention to what I'm saying, and/or c) aren't realizing that very few things in this world are absolutes where it is either black or white.

    Moreover, you should probably realize that being measured and understanding circumstances doesn't make you equivocating.

    Take TCU's season this year for instance at 11-2 with an Alamo Bowl victory. You put that out there before the season for a preseason #2 team as what they'd end up with and many here would fire Gary Patterson on the 50 yard line. If you paid attention to what went on during the season and read most accounts, many are saying that this is his best coaching job. What's the truth?

    But then again, I must be equivocating again.
    Agree
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    EsophagealFecesEsophagealFeces Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,491
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    This thread is not making me THINK and CARE.
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    SweatpantsGeneralSweatpantsGeneral Member Posts: 2,053
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    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    And 2 of those 15 years are tied to Petersen.

    1st year was primarily a change in culture and 2nd a change in roster.

    I get the frustration of the last 15 years but at maximum only 2-3 of those 15 years have any bearing on the 2016 season.

    If the Huskies go 7-6 next year, you will start the year by saying "10 wins or its time for a change", and at season's end you'll be equivocating like crazy. That's the script. It's what you like to do.
    That's a complete BS statement and you know it.

    You always need to look back at a year in retrospect and understand what happened and how what happened differed from the underlying assumptions you had in your forecast. Sometimes what happens is very explainable. Sometimes it is just a flat out miss in the underlying assumptions.

    Last year I was about as spot on on my season predictions as you could get calling 7-6. The only area that I missed was being optimistic with a 5-4 conference record and a bowl loss while stating that I thought that 4-5 and a minor bowl win was probably more realistic. I also stated that the high end of what I thought was possible was in the 8-9 range.

    Unlike a lot of people around here, I don't back down from my predictions. Pointing out what was different about what happened and my underlying assumptions isn't dooging it up or whatever other BS others say. Failure to adhere to my assumptions isn't necessarily grounds for an automatic firing like others would have. I very well understand that I am aggressive in my goal setting and by making stretch goals make it far more difficult to achieve them than not.
    You're a bit delusional. With one or two exceptions, I have never seen a poster equivocate as much as you do.
    Fuckin' Johnson gettin' real bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,300
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    Who originally wrote that shit? No way AZ wrote it.

    Fucking hilarious to go back through that nuclear bomb site of a program destruction. It ain't coming back people. No fucking way. The LGBTQQIP2SAA in charge of the University of Washington might get lucky once a decade but no fucking way will they ever compete for championships on a regular basis. They'll pussify out of football for the sake of safety before that ever happens again.

    AZDuck said:

    You want to take the gloves off Derek? You want to get down in a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.

    I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.

    Quite frankly Derek, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's wintertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn cold right now - why don't you go check that out.

    You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.

    You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.

    You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.

    Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.

    The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.

    These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.

    Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.

    Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.

    Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.

    Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.

    Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.

    A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.

    Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.

    At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.

    So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.

    Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).

    So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.

    The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.

    The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.

    Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.

    I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.

    Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.

    Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.

    Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.

    I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 15 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.

    If I spent my time being a "mindless Derek Johnson minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.

    Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.

    I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.

    Quite frankly Derek, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.

    In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.

    You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.

    All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.

    Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 5-10 years when we are in your shoes.

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    HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537
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    Who originally wrote that shit? No way AZ wrote it.

    Fucking hilarious to go back through that nuclear bomb site of a program destruction. It ain't coming back people. No fucking way. The LGBTQQIP2SAA in charge of the University of Washington might get lucky once a decade but no fucking way will they ever compete for championships on a regular basis. They'll pussify out of football for the sake of safety before that ever happens again.



    AZDuck said:

    You want to take the gloves off Derek? You want to get down in a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.

    I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.

    Quite frankly Derek, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's wintertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn cold right now - why don't you go check that out.

    You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.

    You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.

    You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.

    Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.

    The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.

    These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.

    Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.

    Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.

    Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.

    Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.

    Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.

    A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.

    Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.

    At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.

    So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.

    Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).

    So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.

    The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.

    The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.

    Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.

    I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.

    Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.

    Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.

    Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.

    I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 15 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.

    If I spent my time being a "mindless Derek Johnson minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.

    Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.

    I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.

    Quite frankly Derek, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.

    In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.

    You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.

    All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.

    Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 5-10 years when we are in your shoes.

    Do you really not know or am I being wooshed?

    iiregardless its a mute point since @IrishDawg22 died rest in RIP

    That is an orginal rant from our very own @Tequilla towards @RaceBannon from a few years ago
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,300
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    Houhusky said:

    Who originally wrote that shit? No way AZ wrote it.

    Fucking hilarious to go back through that nuclear bomb site of a program destruction. It ain't coming back people. No fucking way. The LGBTQQIP2SAA in charge of the University of Washington might get lucky once a decade but no fucking way will they ever compete for championships on a regular basis. They'll pussify out of football for the sake of safety before that ever happens again.



    AZDuck said:

    You want to take the gloves off Derek? You want to get down in a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.

    I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.

    Quite frankly Derek, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's wintertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn cold right now - why don't you go check that out.

    You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.

    You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.

    You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.

    Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.

    The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.

    These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.

    Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.

    Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.

    Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.

    Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.

    Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.

    A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.

    Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.

    At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.

    So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.

    Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).

    So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.

    The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.

    The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.

    Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.

    I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.

    Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.

    Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.

    Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.

    I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 15 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.

    If I spent my time being a "mindless Derek Johnson minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.

    Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.

    I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.

    Quite frankly Derek, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.

    In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.

    You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.

    All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.

    Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 5-10 years when we are in your shoes.

    Do you really not know or am I being wooshed?

    iiregardless its a mute point since @IrishDawg22 died rest in RIP

    That is an orginal rant from our very own @Tequilla towards @RaceBannon from a few years ago
    Thanks...I'm a late entry. If I had to read another Auburndoog post I was going to kill myself. I see Tequilla is just as bad.
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    Seriously cracks me up that multiple people have that tequila rant saved and queued up for whenever it's needed.
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    doogville said:

    Seriously cracks me up that multiple people have that tequila rant saved and queued up for whenever it's needed.

    I was thinking the same thing. All the instant pulls of multiple, years old rants is pretty impressive.
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    Houhusky said:

    Do you want a Derekuofu gloves? You want to get off to pee games? let's do it. bring it on.

    I totally hate you, tired to deny, we throw people under the car.

    Derek Frankly, the very fact that I do not know you, we are very satisfied. I am glad that this does not lead those visible pathetic life, such as face looking negative in all cases. You need to find something to smile. I checked in the end, it is winter. Seattle's weather seems to be damn cold - do not go, why you can check it out.

    Error pretty damn thing about you is. You, you are now, you might think it is the time required to continue to spit you think you heard right enough. You do not correct it.

    You talk about 12-47 such sky happen. Emmert once before I have to, I have never seen it considers the process downfall of this program a smooth start.

    You want the facts? Do you want to know the truth? This is your truth.

    Emmert Glorious 1-10 before next season Gilbey, came to the University of Wisconsin. The success the previous year (2003) Gilbey enough to do this, we hope we can 6-6, which we can include in California to defeat a 700 yards (or close to) you. This is the team's indifference is quite mediocre at best. We, the California punk punk, UCLA, and our last eight home loss to Nevada, has lost five. Yes, the program is moving in the right direction.

    Oil slick in the 2002 season, it has been stored for nearly another pound of the season, such as the "Northwest champion." It was great. However, this is as we enter the "Northwest Championship" is hidden the fact that it is almost a joke 4-5 football team 1-4 in the conference. In 2002 and 2003, we have a 4-4 conference record this season.

    These, it's not a very good team. The trend is toward downhill.

    Emmert, came on board, Massu sadled Gilbey immediately 1-10 defeat.

    Emmert had on board, Babs, if possible stadium began to erode the process, after decades of false management quit.

    To 2003, we left smooth, subsequent litigation (S), we are faced with Dr. feel good mess, and softball programs and Teresa Wilson.

    Here, please note the following. Emmert Prior to this, somewhere in the vicinity of the University of Washington once president, all this is happening.

    Things are not in the best condition. I think, only that everyone knows.

    Investigation Committee has been established to replace Babs. BOR, the upper part of the campus, the school's big donors supporters sick egg on their face appear. Especially in light of the passage of time, in smooth things - country, they Babs has been running the club, she'll run loose road sector. Who they are, want proper old-fashioned, and people, they can count on the University's name will not be tarnished. By Todd Turner.

    Well, this will get you in a beautiful spot Emmert has passed. He needs to sign in Turner's employment? most likely. However, anything.

    At this point, Emmert is not responsible for the performance of the soccer program. There is a coach instead. This is not the work of supervision Emmert, the football program and sports sectors other programs. This work belongs to Todd Turner. This is Emmert's responsibility is to oversee the work performance of Todd Turner.

    Thus, from 1-10, will take place. Gilbey has canned Turner (of course). Yes, the show went to the January 10, however, the person responsible for overseeing the program's behavior is correct. Turner was fired head coach underperforming. I If you have shoes on Emmert, I can not complain.

    After coaching search is complete, Turner has his heart set on Tyrone WE phosphorus gum. This is Turner to join. It does not have a rental Emmert's. Of course Emmert indeed must sign the lease. Cool. You put some of his responsibility for not having the foresight to deny rent. Cool. However, the rent is not Emmert's responsibility. This is Turner's responsibility. It (when it was Tyrone Obviously, this is not the answer, he is three years after) is the holder of Turner rental Emmert responsibility is responsibility.

    Therefore, Tyrone, after you 1--10 years to go 2-9 in the first year. not good. Warning signs, close the game, for some properties, especially reduction, you begin to extinguish. However, this is the first year of a management becomes too important really hard.

    There you go 5-7 next year plan two important events. The first important event, is the loss of QB's injury. I do not have a lot of people lost race, this year, we think it can be said, to go 6-6. Two significant events eyes become, it all once considered "Suddenly seniors' day unexplicable loss most quietly and Stanford University football team. Again, we did not have enough fire where Tyrone at that point. Warning signs. Rather, there is a year to tell Tyrone actions, which need something. He is, in my opinion, is connected to a short string at this point.

    The following year, you will lose the game inexplicable way. We should never lose a game - wiping huge loss to Arizona. If you have opened a man 20 yards out of the timeout, the most ridiculous conclusion, Apple's cup, and I've seen until now. This blow 21-point lead to one pair of Hawaii. It did not work to do. This is very clear on this point. Change is the order of the coach. Because, perhaps, this is the change in the AD. Changes coach is blocked, it becomes complicated. Cause some other problems, of course, because of the terrible employment, such as head coach, he has - I went to the head of advertising.

    Before you decide to launch a 2007 or later, Tyrone, it is difficult to argue that what has made the electronic market football program.

    I would say this is a tragic mistake, the return in 2008 of Tyrone This should never happen. Do you want to throw a 0-12 Emmert - I totally agree. I, your reaction, if you catch Emmert at a critical moment, he made a motion, which is you afterwards, it should be, there is no massacres value of 0-12, I think it would say.

    He is a responsibility, I would Emmert dished out in 2008 under the bus. 2004--2007 years? It is not so much. He was in 2004, if he had other responsibilities is not the fact that it was President in 2007, by all means, please, please tell me. Please tell me that he was carried out to destroy a concrete action program. You will not want to find them - they do not exist.

    Your criticism Emmert's ridiculous. It was only you Woodward criticism really interesting.

    Where Woodward, and tighten the plan? 2008, with the only full-time role, he summer, has been responsible for this program. You want to hold him in the fire when it is the middle of the first half of 2008 advertising? When he does not participate, even in the sports department, how is he was responsible from 2007, 2004 what is? We're talking about conspiracy theories. This is probably the biggest conspiracy theory is one I've ever seen.

    I do not like to fail. I do not like what you see, over the past 15 years. It many times in my stomach, I have been to the disease. However, unlike you, I, and at least take a step back, Mark Emmert is the University of Washington before becoming president, the root of this problem will be able to realize that it has begun well.

    If I were to spend their time, "Stupid Derek Johnson's hand," I am for our failure is the only logical explanation, become Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward You should believe you .

    Frankly, the comments I've seen in one of the crazy stupid comments of my life up to now the most ridiculous.

    I have a responsibility to slow Emmert process and there is no "wrong target." Defense. I will immediately admit it. However, this is not his full responsibility. Babs worthy of blame. Gerberding worthy of blame. McCormick, should bear some responsibility. Slick, should bear some responsibility. Gilbey, you should bear some responsibility. Turner, some of you deserve condemnation. Tyrone, should bear some responsibility. The name I can extend to any part of their names 3 Emmert tenure row at any time, list it was up. This is less than half of their names.

    Frankly Derek, you are a world-class ass. I heard a woman dog people, when they complained about Washington's man - you are a crystal Washington bitch grounds examples. I have nothing against their complaints and the University of Washington fans and heard bitch who complained you represent something.

    In my opinion, this is not conducive to the University of Washington. You do not have to support the program. You do not have the support from the university. You're totally selfish pompous, it is a selfish jerk.

    If you want to chase me, you're wrong tree bark. I ignore you until my ass what you see, you do not naively pushed my head ever since. I would say do not call to tell the truth, we have not think you know me.

    Because the perception you give, you bitter old man is gone, the money to pay all the time than I have been alive race was held. Congratulations on that.

    Thank you, we will if it is in your shoes, I how the younger generation, in order to avoid the 5 - 10 years of operation show us.



    The funny thing is, if given that rationale, Woodward would have to be considered one of the greatest AD's in the history of the U.

    He hired Sarq to instantly bring the program back to winning games instead of losing all of them.

    His hire chalked up a *9 win Season before being promoted to USC, of all places.

    His next hire after that had 2 BCS bowl wins and only 12 losses in the 8 Seasons before coming to the U.

    IF @TeqFS could actually praise the work that Emmert did for UW athletics in his time here, He must believe that losing Woodward is a bigger blow to UW than Don James qui... er, retiring.

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    doogville said:

    Seriously cracks me up that multiple people have that tequila rant saved and queued up for whenever it's needed.

    If you don't, you might not be an OG HHB.

    HTH
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    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    And 2 of those 15 years are tied to Petersen.

    1st year was primarily a change in culture and 2nd a change in roster.

    I get the frustration of the last 15 years but at maximum only 2-3 of those 15 years have any bearing on the 2016 season.

    If the Huskies go 7-6 next year, you will start the year by saying "10 wins or its time for a change", and at season's end you'll be equivocating like crazy. That's the script. It's what you like to do.
    That's a complete BS statement and you know it.

    You always need to look back at a year in retrospect and understand what happened and how what happened differed from the underlying assumptions you had in your forecast. Sometimes what happens is very explainable. Sometimes it is just a flat out miss in the underlying assumptions.

    Last year I was about as spot on on my season predictions as you could get calling 7-6. The only area that I missed was being optimistic with a 5-4 conference record and a bowl loss while stating that I thought that 4-5 and a minor bowl win was probably more realistic. I also stated that the high end of what I thought was possible was in the 8-9 range.

    Unlike a lot of people around here, I don't back down from my predictions. Pointing out what was different about what happened and my underlying assumptions isn't dooging it up or whatever other BS others say. Failure to adhere to my assumptions isn't necessarily grounds for an automatic firing like others would have. I very well understand that I am aggressive in my goal setting and by making stretch goals make it far more difficult to achieve them than not.
    So you predicted 7-6, 8-5 and 9-4? AND you were spot on? Congrats. Orange slices for the special Olympian.

    Guessing from this comment that you don't forecast for a living
    That guess was worse than the three scenario post that you nailed. At least you are consistent (ly wrong).

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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Winning big? Everyone is happy.

    Losing like crazy? Everyone is mad.

    Mediocre? Doogs find something to point to as evidence for next year being different (youth! SRS! bumper crop in recruiting!), and Half Brains are chided for being too unreasonable and impatient for expecting more.

    I just want to remind everyone that the doogs have been wrong and the half brains have been right for almost two fucking decades.

    Fuck off.


    Mediocrity sucks"
    -the guy with Romar's cock 10 inches down his throat
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

    It's a long running joke with Harvey Road that I support coach Romar.

    I know it's hard for some of you, but try to keep up.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,720
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    Wait - Romar has a 10 inch cock?
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