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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited November 2015
    It is true. One of the reasons that Syria is going through a civil war is that they've endured drought for a number of years.

    This has been documented and reported by multiple news outlets.

    You'd have to be living under a rock to not know this.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/science/earth/study-links-syria-conflict-to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html?_r=0

    However, this does not mean we should stop holding the Saudis responsible for funding ISIS and other Sunni/Wahhabist terrorist groups.
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited November 2015
    I can see that some of you guys don't understand equations that have more than one independent variable.

    #intilectualceilingsfordumbfucks
  • section8
    section8 Member Posts: 1,581
    topdawgnc said:

    Yes.

    Afghanistan was harboring terrorist and death to American chants in Iran are all based on the Middle East suddenly getting hot in the last 15 years.

    Installing the Shah to get cheaper oil probably wasn't the best long term idea but Bernie is FS to draw that comparison.

  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    section8 said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Yes.

    Afghanistan was harboring terrorist and death to American chants in Iran are all based on the Middle East suddenly getting hot in the last 15 years.

    Installing the Shah to get cheaper oil probably wasn't the best long term idea but Bernie is FS to draw that comparison.

    He didn't bring it up. The moderator brought it up by asking him if he still though climate change was a top issue in light of the terror attacks. And as the NYTimes article that I linked shows -- anybody with a brain understands the linkage.





  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    OZONE said:

    I can see that some of you guys don't understand equations that have more than one independent variable.

    #intilectualceilingsfordumbfucks

    Fuck, you're right.

    How did I miss this:

    nationalinterest.org/feature/washington-watching-the-5-deadliest-terrorist-groups-the-11687

    A major difference between ISIL and the litany of other Islamist terrorist organizations competing for fundraising and recruits is that the former is succeeding in a task that not even Al Qaeda, or Obama, could accomplish: they created the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.


    Yet Boko Haram has been menacing Nigeria’s northern communities for years. Public reports state that the organization was founded in 2002, but it’s activities only reached global spotlight in 2009, when Boko Haram’s new leader, Abubakr Shekau, launched what can only be described as an insurgency against the Nigerian government for not recycling.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,063
    OZONE said:

    section8 said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Yes.

    Afghanistan was harboring terrorist and death to American chants in Iran are all based on the Middle East suddenly getting hot in the last 15 years.

    Installing the Shah to get cheaper oil probably wasn't the best long term idea but Bernie is FS to draw that comparison.

    He didn't bring it up. The moderator brought it up by asking him if he still though climate change was a top issue in light of the terror attacks. And as the NYTimes article that I linked shows -- anybody with a brain understands the linkage.





    Jesus - is the NY Times now the equivalent of "if it's on the internet it must be true"?

  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510

    OZONE said:

    section8 said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Yes.

    Afghanistan was harboring terrorist and death to American chants in Iran are all based on the Middle East suddenly getting hot in the last 15 years.

    Installing the Shah to get cheaper oil probably wasn't the best long term idea but Bernie is FS to draw that comparison.

    He didn't bring it up. The moderator brought it up by asking him if he still though climate change was a top issue in light of the terror attacks. And as the NYTimes article that I linked shows -- anybody with a brain understands the linkage.





    Jesus - is the NY Times now the equivalent of "if it's on the internet it must be true"?

    Are you trying to suggest that a handful of anonymous internet posters in the Tug Tav are more credible than the NY Times?
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,063
    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    section8 said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Yes.

    Afghanistan was harboring terrorist and death to American chants in Iran are all based on the Middle East suddenly getting hot in the last 15 years.

    Installing the Shah to get cheaper oil probably wasn't the best long term idea but Bernie is FS to draw that comparison.

    He didn't bring it up. The moderator brought it up by asking him if he still though climate change was a top issue in light of the terror attacks. And as the NYTimes article that I linked shows -- anybody with a brain understands the linkage.





    Jesus - is the NY Times now the equivalent of "if it's on the internet it must be true"?

    Are you trying to suggest that a handful of anonymous internet posters in the Tug Tav are more credible than the NY Times?
    No. You did. But simply because the NY Times prints it, doesn't mean it is gospel truth.
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    It isn't just the NY Times. Many people have said the civil war in Syria is due, in part, to the 6 year draught they've been having.

    And Bernie didn't say it was the #1 reason for the war there (that tweet lost the context).

    He correctly pointed out that the majority of the blame falls at the feet of Bush's war in Iraq which destabilized the region. A war that Bernie voted against.
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    OZONE said:

    It isn't just the NY Times. Many people have said the civil war in Syria is due, in part, to the 6 year draught they've been having.

    And Bernie didn't say it was the #1 reason for the war there (that tweet lost the context).

    He correctly pointed out that the majority of the blame falls at the feet of Bush's war in Iraq which destabilized the region. A war that Bernie voted against.

    Hate to tell you this:

    Terrorism was in full swing long before Bush.
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited November 2015
    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited November 2015
    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.
    Okay then by all means go on being outraged about something that somebody else wrote that he said -- and got it wrong. Must be your style. Ignore the facts so that you can shake and vomit when you feel like it. Have another beer with your vomit.

    Oh, and since you mentioned socialism. He was asked what his top tax % rate would be -- he said he didn't have a final number yet, but guaranteed it would be lower than what it was in the Eisenhower administration, because Bernie isn't "that much of a socialist". (Eisenhower's top tax rate was 90%)

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.

    Here's a fucking hint:

    Muslims are fucking terrorist and if we go through an ice age they will still want to kill us.
    Because no Christian has been a terrorist?
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    OZONE said:

    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.
    Okay then by all means go on being outraged about something that somebody else wrote that he said -- and got it wrong. Must be your style. Ignore the facts so that you can shake and vomit when you feel like it. Have another beer with your vomit.

    Oh, and since you mentioned socialism. He was asked what his top tax % rate would be -- he said he didn't have a final number yet, but guaranteed it would be lower than what it was in the Eisenhower administration, because Bernie isn't "that much of a socialist". (Eisenhower's top tax rate was 90%)

    I like to compare my tax rate to the Eisenhower Administration almost as much as I like to compare terrorism to global warming ...
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.

    Here's a fucking hint:

    Muslims are fucking terrorist and if we go through an ice age they will still want to kill us.
    Because no Christian has been a terrorist?
    Shouldn't you be in bed?
  • PurpleReign
    PurpleReign Member Posts: 5,479
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.

    Here's a fucking hint:

    Muslims are fucking terrorist and if we go through an ice age they will still want to kill us.
    Because no Christian has been a terrorist?
    While I am no fan of Christians, are you really comparing the rare Christian fanatic (can't even think of one right now outside of IRA 20 years ago) to modern day muslims who make up around 97% of global terrorism each year?

    That other three percent by the way, is all other non-Islamic terrorist acts combined.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.

    Here's a fucking hint:

    Muslims are fucking terrorist and if we go through an ice age they will still want to kill us.
    Because no Christian has been a terrorist?
    We aren't out there blowing up Mosques. Then again, maybe we should start.

    #holywar
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    I don't buy geographically determinist explanations like this, are people from Tucson or Guadalajara out bombing Wal-Mart? It may be true that hot climates increase general hostility, but are you really going to say that it's causing brutality like this? You really can't say that one single explanation is to blame for terrorism, though if you're really desperate for a simplistic analysis you would look first at the role that the Assad regime has played in marginalizing the Sunni population of Syria. In Iraq it's the same deal, with additional impetus from the collapse of the government following the American invasion.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129
    edited November 2015
    I work with somebody who loves Bernie. He's actually a hard worker and an all around good guy to grab a beer with. I just don't get how anyone could buy the shit Bernie spews.

    I think they know it is stupid, but are so dissatisfied with the status quo that they buy in because it's different.
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839

    I work with somebody who loves Bernie. He's actually a hard worker and an all around good guy to grab a beer with. I just don't get how anyone could buy the shit Bernie spews.

    I think they know it is stupid, but are so dissatisfied with the status quo that they buy in because it's different.

    People who are voting for Bernie are the same group who are voting for Trump and Carson.

    They know these non-mainstream candidates will never win.

    But it's their way of sending a message to the establishment.

    Republicans are plenty pissed off right now and the establishment continues to underestimate the game of Messican stand-off that is going on.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    OZONE said:

    Toppy, watch the debate and hear his direct words, instead of believing that tweet which is twisting his words. He was, in fact, quoting the CIA. Here is the question he was asked, and here is how he answered it. You have to go to the 10 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/PTuz_4hiPl4?t=10m01s

    He isn't saying climate changed caused all past terrorism. He is saying climate change will contribute to even more terrorism -- and the CIA has said the same thing.

    I'm not going to listen to some crazy fucking socialist discuss some fabricated fucking theory about people living in an area of the world that normally reaches 130 degrees start to kill American's and Europeans because of some pretend fucking scientific theory.

    Here's a fucking hint:

    Muslims are fucking terrorist and if we go through an ice age they will still want to kill us.
    Because no Christian has been a terrorist?
    While I am no fan of Christians, are you really comparing the rare Christian fanatic (can't even think of one right now outside of IRA 20 years ago) to modern day muslims who make up around 97% of global terrorism each year?

    That other three percent by the way, is all other non-Islamic terrorist acts combined.
    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

    The source is pretty terrible so fuck off. But if you read them, you'll remember most of these.

    Muslims don't have a monopoly on terrorism.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Fuck you, enemy of America. You're a fucking coward.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    I work with somebody who loves Bernie. He's actually a hard worker and an all around good guy to grab a beer with. I just don't get how anyone could buy the shit Bernie spews.

    I think they know it is stupid, but are so dissatisfied with the status quo that they buy in because it's different.

    I'm still not sure who I am voting for (centrist) but if I were to vote Democrat I would support him over hillary
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Fuck you, enemy of America. You're a fucking coward.

    I'm a coward because I don't think all Muslims are terrorists and all Christians are saints?

    Got it.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Fuck you, enemy of America. You're a fucking coward.

    I'm a coward because I don't think all Muslims are terrorists and all Christians are saints?

    Got it.
    The only person making that non argument is you and your straw man
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Fuck you, enemy of America. You're a fucking coward.

    I'm a coward because I don't think all Muslims are terrorists and all Christians are saints?

    Got it.
    The only person making that non argument is you and your straw man
    Then you clearly don't read for comprehension.
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    dhdawg said:


    I work with somebody who loves Bernie. He's actually a hard worker and an all around good guy to grab a beer with. I just don't get how anyone could buy the shit Bernie spews.

    I think they know it is stupid, but are so dissatisfied with the status quo that they buy in because it's different.

    I'm still not sure who I am voting for (centrist) but if I were to vote Democrat I would support him over hillary
    How can you call yourself a centrist, but vote for Bernie over Hillary?

    That's like saying I am a centrist but I am voting for Cruz over Bush.