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We all understand that none of these guys are stars. But do some of you believe that Pettis, Lenius, and Daniels couldn't be reliable targets for say the Arizona schools, WSU, etc? My guess is they would be solid contributors, yet they suck at UW because.... Drum role..... The coaching sucks. Players normally suck when the coaching does.
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Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
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Things are pretty good actually. Thanks for askingHuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.
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Your shit is tired. You poasts are far from insightful and clearly shows you have problems, far beyond Husky football. I hope you get them figured out. I really do.RoadDawg55 said:
Things are pretty good actually. Thanks for askingHuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.. Okay, I'm lying. I actually kick my dog and lash out at everyone I meet because Husky Football sucks. -
Thanks Doc. Hopefully one day I can move to the desert and defend everything a shitty coach does.HuskyInAZ said:
Your shit is tired. You poasts are far from insightful and clearly shows you have problems, far beyond Husky football. I hope you get them figured out. I really do.RoadDawg55 said:
Things are pretty good actually. Thanks for askingHuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.. Okay, I'm lying. I actually kick my dog and lash out at everyone I meet because Husky Football sucks. -
@HuskyinAZ... I think you make some fair points from time to time, but this idea of 'you post something critical of husky football on a message board, so you must be a miserable person in real life' is right out of the the Doogman/Kum Grinholes playbook. It's complete feces, and not the good kind that you'll find lodged deep within @EsophagealFeces throat.HuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.
Roadie makes a valid point. To me there's been a clear regression with the WR this year, part of that is obviously exacerbated by starting a true freshman QB, but it seems to go beyond that to me. Outside of Jonathan Smith being gently spritzed with napalm and set ablaze, my next preferred candidate for death by fire would be Brent Pease.
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Dawgman calls. Will you listen?HuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
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The offense is a horror show. Today I was thinking about this exact thing today.RoadDawg55 said:Before the season, everyone liked Pettis and Lenius. Now, they suck and "Can't beat anyone off the line." Are they actually shitty though? Does Daniels suck? Look at Mickens stats as a sophomore compared to now.
We all understand that none of these guys are stars. But do some of you believe that Pettis, Lenius, and Daniels couldn't be reliable targets for say the Arizona schools, WSU, etc? My guess is they would be solid contributors, yet they suck at UW because.... Drum role..... The coaching sucks. Players normally suck when the coaching does.
On offense, we assumed guys like Pettis and Lenius and Daniels would see the kind of improvement that Bierria, Gardenhire, Qualls and Victor have seen. It's happening on the defense, but not on the offense.
Maybe @HuskyInAZ can enlighten us with the dawgman, "get a life" perspective why we should ignore this? So our lives can be awesome?
Or just so we can regulate his emotional state for him by saying things that make him feel good and he doesn't disagree with?
Either way, our offense is a fucking dumpster fire and everyone involved with it should probably be canned.
I doubt Pete does anything, but if he does, I would fire Babushka first (QB play has been terrible and offensive schemes are a joke), then see what else we've got. Pease, Strausser and Bonerpha have produced good results prior to coming here.
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Someone will eventually respond with "without Ross to push safeties over the top, the other receivers are getting bottled up", but remember Petersen wanted to convert Ross to a CB so even if this were true, Petersen is a fucking idiot anyways. I think it has to do with poor coaching, shitty QB play, and an offense that has decided to be geared towards high volume passing (ironic considering the volume passing stats are so poor).RoadDawg55 said:Before the season, everyone liked Pettis and Lenius. Now, they suck and "Can't beat anyone off the line." Are they actually shitty though? Does Daniels suck? Look at Mickens stats as a sophomore compared to now.
We all understand that none of these guys are stars. But do some of you believe that Pettis, Lenius, and Daniels couldn't be reliable targets for say the Arizona schools, WSU, etc? My guess is they would be solid contributors, yet they suck at UW because.... Drum role..... The coaching sucks. Players normally suck when the coaching does. -
55 you are turning into one of them. You know who them is. You know damn well why Pete has played 5 qb's in 2 years, and damn well why they suck (not 1 Peter's fault). His fault Miley and Linda couldnt throw a forward pass? And damn well why there wasnt a usable upperclassman along the offensive line, no running back depth behind Sankey, or 1 upperclassman WR other than 5-8 Mickens. What about the upperclass TE's, Dline, corner and safety spots left to him by Seven? What the frig is Pete supposed to do?
Why do you hate him Roadie?? It WILL take another 21 games for this team to reach its goals. Because Petersen is coach however, the dawgs have a chance to be really good next year, a year early, and almost exclusively with Peter's freshmen sophomore and junior recruits. Its so obvious what is being built here yet a collection of buttsniffers like yourself cant see it. I made it clear this team would win 4-6 games. WTF record did you expect, in a conference loaded 10 out if 12 teams? Answer you whiney twat, and give us a few reasons why you think this team should be a bowl team this year, or a contender next year?
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To go along with this thread, here are the rankings of receivers through the season so far.... NOT ONE receiver from UW on the list.
I actually can't stand Pease more so than even Babushka at this point. The lack of blocking by his WR's is appalling. We all bag on the bubble screen, but seriously there has been only a handful of times where we have thrown it that it was a bad "call".
A majority of the time it is Browning deciding to throw it because of the look the defense gives him. It's a really simple yes or no to even run it. It hurts me to think of the number of times I've seen us through it out there and be like, "good decision", only to see our WR/TE get blown up and the play goes for nothing.
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He had Price throwing to him.RoadDawg55 said:Before the season, everyone liked Pettis and Lenius. Now, they suck and "Can't beat anyone off the line." Are they actually shitty though? Does Daniels suck? Look at Mickens stats as a sophomore compared to now.
We all understand that none of these guys are stars. But do some of you believe that Pettis, Lenius, and Daniels couldn't be reliable targets for say the Arizona schools, WSU, etc? My guess is they would be solid contributors, yet they suck at UW because.... Drum role..... The coaching sucks. Players normally suck when the coaching does.
We also liked Pettis because of his punt returns and we liked Lenius because he made a 16-yard catch against UCLA. They aren't shitty, but they were hyped here because there was no one else to hype on the offense. -
He did have Price throwing for him, but he also had ASJ, Kasen (1/2 season), Smith, and String on the team. They also had Sankey getting 25+ carries pretty much every week. I don't think it's as much Price as it was Kasen and Smith blocking for his bubble screens and padding his stats with the monster game against Cal.whatshouldicareabout said:
He had Price throwing to him.RoadDawg55 said:Before the season, everyone liked Pettis and Lenius. Now, they suck and "Can't beat anyone off the line." Are they actually shitty though? Does Daniels suck? Look at Mickens stats as a sophomore compared to now.
We all understand that none of these guys are stars. But do some of you believe that Pettis, Lenius, and Daniels couldn't be reliable targets for say the Arizona schools, WSU, etc? My guess is they would be solid contributors, yet they suck at UW because.... Drum role..... The coaching sucks. Players normally suck when the coaching does.
We also liked Pettis because of his punt returns and we liked Lenius because he made a 16-yard catch against UCLA. They aren't shitty, but they were hyped here because there was no one else to hype on the offense. -
They would still suck if those schools were fielding a true freshman QB, LT and an entire OL with very limited experience and a lack of accolades in high school.RoadDawg55 said:Before the season, everyone liked Pettis and Lenius. Now, they suck and "Can't beat anyone off the line." Are they actually shitty though? Does Daniels suck? Look at Mickens stats as a sophomore compared to now.
We all understand that none of these guys are stars. But do some of you believe that Pettis, Lenius, and Daniels couldn't be reliable targets for say the Arizona schools, WSU, etc? My guess is they would be solid contributors, yet they suck at UW because.... Drum role..... The coaching sucks. Players normally suck when the coaching does.
It's hard for us to really know who sucks and who looks bad because of the rest of the offense.
Mickens is a good case study for this. He was good as a sophomore because he had 2 NFL WR's blocking for him and defenses had to account for ASJ and Sankey. Last year he was worse but still made some plays as a result of John Ross at times and Kasen and DiAndre Campbell being able to block. Now he's just a guy who can make an occasional catch as there is no major threat on the offense. Is he really worse or is it the players around him?
Josh Perkins is good. Pettis and Lenius have shown flashes but need to be more consistent. I don't know what the deal is with Daniels but he whiffed on tough catches against Boise and U$C. I think he's been lost in the coaching shuffle. Wasted his first year then moved him back and forth between WR/TE. He may be better as a WR. -
Catching balls is a process. Most of these WRs have only been catching a ball in college for one or two years, it takes time.
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Not one returning skill player on offense looks better than last year. Maybe Perkins, but he's pretty much the same.
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Renfro has the best catch/target rate. I'm hopeful he will make a jump from year 1 to 2.
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Agree with the dessert dawg here. We get it, the offense sucks. Our eyes are as good as grandpa sankey's.HuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.
So, if you are going to write two paragraphs repeating the same shit that has been posted 21 times, at least make it funny.
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What else is there to discuss on this bored? Every other relevant topic has run its course. Sark is gone, Petersen and Helfrich officially suck, and the program has no future.doogville said:
Agree with the dessert dawg here. We get it, the offense sucks. Our eyes are as good as grandpa sankey's.HuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.
So, if you are going to write two paragraphs repeating the same shit that has been posted 21 times, at least make it funny.
DDY is equally repetitive (and mutilating a dead horse at this point), but I still chuckle. -
Sounds like its time to complete the doog playbook that HuskyinAZ is unfolding one doogism at a time
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I didn't read anything but the OP, but I think Mickens could be a star at WSU with a passing offense, a Wes Welker type but without the hands or route running ability.
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Babushka finally ran it out of a single wide look and the WR at least got 4 yards.
If your WRs can't block (hopefully at least yet rather than never), better to do a quick throw to a guy one on one. Why not to Chico? He's quicker and faster than Mickens. Or what about motioning Washington out of the backfield? He's big and could then find himself man-to-man with a smaller corner or safety.
I actually can't stand Pease more so than even Babushka at this point. The lack of blocking by his WR's is appalling. We all bag on the bubble screen, but seriously there has been only a handful of times where we have thrown it that it was a bad "call".
A majority of the time it is Browning deciding to throw it because of the look the defense gives him. It's a really simple yes or no to even run it. It hurts me to think of the number of times I've seen us through it out there and be like, "good decision", only to see our WR/TE get blown up and the play goes for nothing.
In short, I want Pease and Smith gone. Keep Strausser and Bonopha.
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HFNY said:
Babushka finally ran it out of a single wide look and the WR at least got 4 yards.
If your WRs can't block (hopefully at least yet rather than never), better to do a quick throw to a guy one on one. Why not to Chico? He's quicker and faster than Mickens. Or what about motioning Washington out of the backfield? He's big and could then find himself man-to-man with a smaller corner or safety.
I actually can't stand Pease more so than even Babushka at this point. The lack of blocking by his WR's is appalling. We all bag on the bubble screen, but seriously there has been only a handful of times where we have thrown it that it was a bad "call".
A majority of the time it is Browning deciding to throw it because of the look the defense gives him. It's a really simple yes or no to even run it. It hurts me to think of the number of times I've seen us through it out there and be like, "good decision", only to see our WR/TE get blown up and the play goes for nothing.
In short, I want Pease and Smith gone. Keep Strausser and Bonopha.
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HFNY said:
Babushka finally ran it out of a single wide look and the WR at least got 4 yards.
If your WRs can't block (hopefully at least yet rather than never), better to do a quick throw to a guy one on one. Why not to Chico? He's quicker and faster than Mickens. Or what about motioning Washington out of the backfield? He's big and could then find himself man-to-man with a smaller corner or safety.
I actually can't stand Pease more so than even Babushka at this point. The lack of blocking by his WR's is appalling. We all bag on the bubble screen, but seriously there has been only a handful of times where we have thrown it that it was a bad "call".
A majority of the time it is Browning deciding to throw it because of the look the defense gives him. It's a really simple yes or no to even run it. It hurts me to think of the number of times I've seen us through it out there and be like, "good decision", only to see our WR/TE get blown up and the play goes for nothing.
In short, I want Pease and Smith gone. Keep Strausser and Bonopha.
I don't know if there is a complete list out there but I would be surprised if there is a UW receiver in the top 30. -
It does make one wonder if they executing the bubble screen in practice which gives JS hope they will execute the next one live?
I also wonder if the O is tipping its hand via formations or something else b/c defenses have had an uncanny ability to jump the BS (bubble screens).
The bubble screen is always a bad call because the players don't execute it.RoadDawg55 said:HFNY said:Babushka finally ran it out of a single wide look and the WR at least got 4 yards.
If your WRs can't block (hopefully at least yet rather than never), better to do a quick throw to a guy one on one. Why not to Chico? He's quicker and faster than Mickens. Or what about motioning Washington out of the backfield? He's big and could then find himself man-to-man with a smaller corner or safety.
I actually can't stand Pease more so than even Babushka at this point. The lack of blocking by his WR's is appalling. We all bag on the bubble screen, but seriously there has been only a handful of times where we have thrown it that it was a bad "call".
A majority of the time it is Browning deciding to throw it because of the look the defense gives him. It's a really simple yes or no to even run it. It hurts me to think of the number of times I've seen us through it out there and be like, "good decision", only to see our WR/TE get blown up and the play goes for nothing.
In short, I want Pease and Smith gone. Keep Strausser and Bonopha.
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The lack of improvement with Pettis and Lenius compared to Bierria, Victor, most of the defense is a real disappointement, I will agree to that.
I will not go as far as you though, saying they have regressed. Some of us actually pointed out before the season that the general optimism about these 2 guys was not really based on facts, really small sample size, and it was premature to list them among the positive aspects of the team.
Other than that, I think @HeretoBeatmyChest summarized my opinion "t's hard for us to really know who sucks and who looks bad because of the rest of the offense." They are probably a bit better than what they are showing, but I don't think we are missing out on any Randy Moss because of a bad QB or bad coach here. -
Bierria and Victor were able to redshirt and then be back-ups as RS-Frosh before starting as RS-Sophs. It's generally also easier for players to make an impact earlier on D than it is on O.
OTOH, Pettis and Lenius weren't able to redshirt. Would've been really nice because Pettis could've used a year to get bigger / stronger....same for Lenius but he was also rawer coming out of high school...late bloomer who hit the recruiting scene towards the end.
Here is Sarkisian's recruiting in the 2011-2013 recruiting classes:
2011:
Kasen Williams: was a very good college WR until he got hurt middway through 2013. Should've redshirted in 2014 but he didn't want to. Sure could've used a healthy KW this year.
Marvin Hall: other than trick plays, he's a JAG (and one who had a critical false start @ Stanford).
Jamaal Jones: IIRC, Sarkisian pushed him out after his redshirt year.
Josh Perkins: moved to TE
2012:
Mickens: a pretty good #2 but too small and not explosive enough to be a #1
Kendyl Taylor: played as a true frosh, redshirted in 2013, played a little in 2014, and then sold couch to go to Northern Arizona. Likely overrated due to family tree.
Dwayne Washington: moved to RB at the end of his redshirt year.
2013 (lots of sizzle):
Darrell Daniels: doesn't have the best hands and should've redshirted to prepare better for the move to TE. Maybe he'll bust out as a true senior in 2016.
String!: very talented but clearly not OKG. Assault led to transfer to Nebraska for a cup of coffee before Ole Miss used their powers of persuasion (beef curtains or cash?) to get him. String also was arrested at the beginning of the year: redcuprebellion.com/2015/1/22/7872289/ole-miss-players-arrested-trae-elston-damoreea-stringfellow
String also is just 5th in receiving for Ole Miss.
John Ross: played a little bit in 2013, flashed as a deep threat in 2014, then moved to CB due to depth issues, Jermaine Kelly breaking his ankle, and then Peters getting kicked off team. Reinjured his knee and is redshirting this year. Will probably move back to WR since secondary now is a strength. Ideally will have him for 2016 and 2017.
So it's pretty understandable that players like Pettis, Lenius, and Renfro had to play early. Renfro probably would've played anyway had Pettis and Lenius redshirted since the WR depth sucks. The staff also tried to get a few JC WRs but one couldn't qualify anywhere (Brandon Snell) and one or two guys went elsewhere.
Again, sure would've been nice to have KW as a RS-SR this year.The_Undertaker said:The lack of improvement with Pettis and Lenius compared to Bierria, Victor, most of the defense is a real disappointement, I will agree to that.
I will not go as far as you though, saying they have regressed. Some of us actually pointed out before the season that the general optimism about these 2 guys was not really based on facts, really small sample size, and it was premature to list them among the positive aspects of the team.
Other than that, I think @HeretoBeatmyChest summarized my opinion "t's hard for us to really know who sucks and who looks bad because of the rest of the offense." They are probably a bit better than what they are showing, but I don't think we are missing out on any Randy Moss because of a bad QB or bad coach here. -
I never had any reason to believe lenius was good. He is slow. Can't change direction. When we do throw to him rarely does he fight for the ball,over smaller defensive backs like he did vs usc.
Pettis is just a guy. Never understood,the hype on either. They don't put any fear into the defense. He is just an average looking athlete but a pretty good punt returner. -
I'm guessing 99% of posters agree that the combination of FR QB, underperforming WRs and young OL is a recipe for disaster. Throw in brilliant work by SmithFS and PeaseFS, it's what we have today, a complete clusterfuck. I just don't see the need to continue to beat this dead horse to death. Obviously, I'm in the minority.guntlove said:
@HuskyinAZ... I think you make some fair points from time to time, but this idea of 'you post something critical of husky football on a message board, so you must be a miserable person in real life' is right out of the the Doogman/Kum Grinholes playbook. It's complete feces, and not the good kind that you'll find lodged deep within @EsophagealFeces throat.HuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.
Roadie makes a valid point. To me there's been a clear regression with the WR this year, part of that is obviously exacerbated by starting a true freshman QB, but it seems to go beyond that to me. Outside of Jonathan Smith being gently spritzed with napalm and set ablaze, my next preferred candidate for death by fire would be Brent Pease.
gunt.
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So you're saying that it's hard.HuskyInAZ said:
I'm guessing 99% of posters agree that the combination of FR QB, underperforming WRs and young OL is a recipe for disaster. Throw in brilliant work by SmithFS and PeaseFS, it's what we have today, a complete clusterfuck. I just don't see the need to continue to beat this dead horse to death. Obviously, I'm in the minority.guntlove said:
@HuskyinAZ... I think you make some fair points from time to time, but this idea of 'you post something critical of husky football on a message board, so you must be a miserable person in real life' is right out of the the Doogman/Kum Grinholes playbook. It's complete feces, and not the good kind that you'll find lodged deep within @EsophagealFeces throat.HuskyInAZ said:Broken record. We get it. Give it a rest.
God, your life must be miserable.
Roadie makes a valid point. To me there's been a clear regression with the WR this year, part of that is obviously exacerbated by starting a true freshman QB, but it seems to go beyond that to me. Outside of Jonathan Smith being gently spritzed with napalm and set ablaze, my next preferred candidate for death by fire would be Brent Pease.
gunt.
