You do wonder,
Think about the poor fucker who's still waiting for SMU to recover?
Maybe Miami will always suck. Maybe Washington will too. Or by the time they don't, I won't care anymore because I've picked up a wood carving hobby or something.
Fuck. What a shitty deal.
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Or the guys who were in their early 20's back in the 60's w/ Minnesota who grew up hearing about the great Minnesota teams back in the 40's/50's and have hammered thru 50 years of shit football.
I'm at 15, and have wondered if I should just lock myself in a room during husky games, work on a puzzle and save myself the time, aggravation etc. -
The sad thing for you is that the two programs have sucked at roughly the same time, giving you nothing but agony and pain.creepycoug said:don't you, whether your favorite program is going to permanently suck? I mean, after 20 or so years, it seems like you'll be an old man before they return, if ever.
Think about the poor fucker who's still waiting for SMU to recover?
Maybe Miami will always suck. Maybe Washington will too. Or by the time they don't, I won't care anymore because I've picked up a wood carving hobby or something.
Fuck. What a shitty deal. -
Miami's collapse has been spectacular. This is a program that arguably was #1 in accomplishments in 2002.
UW's collapse has been noteworthy. Only Colorado's (in terms of an accomplished peer) has been worse.
But Jim Owens' last 11 years weren't a whole lot different than 2003 to 2013. The lows weren't quite as bad (1-9 in 1969 and 2-9 in 1973) and the highs were better (two 8-3 seasons). Overall it was only slight less shitty than the recent period. -
What has killed Miami is the competition for Florida football talent. Up until 2002, Florida, Florida St. and Miami ruled that state for talent. With the rise in social media and television markets, being close to home is no longer as important. Now schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, South Carolina, are heavily involved in that market. Heck even, Oregon has made in roads into the Florida market. Miami doesn't have their own stadium, and they don't have up to date facilities that many of these other schools offer. Also, the fact that the NCAA has nailed the school with sanction twice in a 16 year period, hasn't help things either.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Miami's collapse has been spectacular. This is a program that arguably was #1 in accomplishments in 2002.
UW's collapse has been noteworthy. Only Colorado's (in terms of an accomplished peer) has been worse.
But Jim Owens' last 11 years weren't a whole lot different than 2003 to 2013. The lows weren't quite as bad (1-9 in 1969 and 2-9 in 1973) and the highs were better (two 8-3 seasons). Overall it was only slight less shitty than the recent period. -
Sanctions and Facilities (other than the stadium) don't matter, and where Bama, LSU and Louisville now routinely raid the talent in that state, it used to be Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. Maybe they're all doing it, but talent isn't the main issue. Miami is still sending guys to the NFL, though not quite in the numbers it has in the past.greenblood said:
What has killed Miami is the competition for Florida football talent. Up until 2002, Florida, Florida St. and Miami ruled that state for talent. With the rise in social media and television markets, being close to home is no longer as important. Now schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, South Carolina, are heavily involved in that market. Heck even, Oregon has made in roads into the Florida market. Miami doesn't have their own stadium, and they don't have up to date facilities that many of these other schools offer. Also, the fact that the NCAA has nailed the school with sanction twice in a 16 year period, hasn't help things either.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Miami's collapse has been spectacular. This is a program that arguably was #1 in accomplishments in 2002.
UW's collapse has been noteworthy. Only Colorado's (in terms of an accomplished peer) has been worse.
But Jim Owens' last 11 years weren't a whole lot different than 2003 to 2013. The lows weren't quite as bad (1-9 in 1969 and 2-9 in 1973) and the highs were better (two 8-3 seasons). Overall it was only slight less shitty than the recent period.
I think winning fixes all kinds of problems, but therein lies a bit of a chicken/egg dilemma.
The stadium situation sucks. It's not a bad venue, but the location sucks and it lacks that clear connection to the city of Miami that the Orange Bowl had.
Shannon and Golden have recruited some damn good players there though. They're still getting their share. -
They may have recruited some stars. And every Power 5 school recruits Some good players. But Miami's mystique is long gone and even a 30 for 30 Part Tre' isn't bringing that back anytime soon. They are an also ran in the ACC and no longer have the tradition to make a hot up and comer take a serious look at coaching there.creepycoug said:
Sanctions and Facilities (other than the stadium) don't matter, and where Bama, LSU and Louisville now routinely raid the talent in that state, it used to be Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. Maybe they're all doing it, but talent isn't the main issue. Miami is still sending guys to the NFL, though not quite in the numbers it has in the past.greenblood said:
What has killed Miami is the competition for Florida football talent. Up until 2002, Florida, Florida St. and Miami ruled that state for talent. With the rise in social media and television markets, being close to home is no longer as important. Now schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, South Carolina, are heavily involved in that market. Heck even, Oregon has made in roads into the Florida market. Miami doesn't have their own stadium, and they don't have up to date facilities that many of these other schools offer. Also, the fact that the NCAA has nailed the school with sanction twice in a 16 year period, hasn't help things either.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Miami's collapse has been spectacular. This is a program that arguably was #1 in accomplishments in 2002.
UW's collapse has been noteworthy. Only Colorado's (in terms of an accomplished peer) has been worse.
But Jim Owens' last 11 years weren't a whole lot different than 2003 to 2013. The lows weren't quite as bad (1-9 in 1969 and 2-9 in 1973) and the highs were better (two 8-3 seasons). Overall it was only slight less shitty than the recent period.
I think winning fixes all kinds of problems, but therein lies a bit of a chicken/egg dilemma.
The stadium situation sucks. It's not a bad venue, but the location sucks and it lacks that clear connection to the city of Miami that the Orange Bowl had.
Shannon and Golden have recruited some damn good players there though. They're still getting their share. -
Sark should be out of rehab, tanned/rested/ready to rumble by the time the next hire Miami hire fails.salemcoog said:
They may have recruited some stars. And every Power 5 school recruits Some good players. But Miami's mystique is long gone and even a 30 for 30 Part Tre' isn't bringing that back anytime soon. They are an also ran in the ACC and no longer have the tradition to make a hot up and comer take a serious look at coaching there.creepycoug said:
Sanctions and Facilities (other than the stadium) don't matter, and where Bama, LSU and Louisville now routinely raid the talent in that state, it used to be Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. Maybe they're all doing it, but talent isn't the main issue. Miami is still sending guys to the NFL, though not quite in the numbers it has in the past.greenblood said:
What has killed Miami is the competition for Florida football talent. Up until 2002, Florida, Florida St. and Miami ruled that state for talent. With the rise in social media and television markets, being close to home is no longer as important. Now schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, South Carolina, are heavily involved in that market. Heck even, Oregon has made in roads into the Florida market. Miami doesn't have their own stadium, and they don't have up to date facilities that many of these other schools offer. Also, the fact that the NCAA has nailed the school with sanction twice in a 16 year period, hasn't help things either.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Miami's collapse has been spectacular. This is a program that arguably was #1 in accomplishments in 2002.
UW's collapse has been noteworthy. Only Colorado's (in terms of an accomplished peer) has been worse.
But Jim Owens' last 11 years weren't a whole lot different than 2003 to 2013. The lows weren't quite as bad (1-9 in 1969 and 2-9 in 1973) and the highs were better (two 8-3 seasons). Overall it was only slight less shitty than the recent period.
I think winning fixes all kinds of problems, but therein lies a bit of a chicken/egg dilemma.
The stadium situation sucks. It's not a bad venue, but the location sucks and it lacks that clear connection to the city of Miami that the Orange Bowl had.
Shannon and Golden have recruited some damn good players there though. They're still getting their share. -
They could hire Sark out of rehab with Ed Orgeron as his DC and sobriety coach
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And Uncle Luke get that partay jumpin'.sarktastic said:They could hire Sark out of rehab with Ed Orgeron as his DC and sobriety coach
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Eh. There was a time when I wondered if Ohio State would ever again win a bowl game. Michigan hasn't been relevent since the mid 90s. Florida state went on a drought before their recent tittle run.salemcoog said:
They may have recruited some stars. And every Power 5 school recruits Some good players. But Miami's mystique is long gone and even a 30 for 30 Part Tre' isn't bringing that back anytime soon. They are an also ran in the ACC and no longer have the tradition to make a hot up and comer take a serious look at coaching there.creepycoug said:
Sanctions and Facilities (other than the stadium) don't matter, and where Bama, LSU and Louisville now routinely raid the talent in that state, it used to be Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. Maybe they're all doing it, but talent isn't the main issue. Miami is still sending guys to the NFL, though not quite in the numbers it has in the past.greenblood said:
What has killed Miami is the competition for Florida football talent. Up until 2002, Florida, Florida St. and Miami ruled that state for talent. With the rise in social media and television markets, being close to home is no longer as important. Now schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Auburn, South Carolina, are heavily involved in that market. Heck even, Oregon has made in roads into the Florida market. Miami doesn't have their own stadium, and they don't have up to date facilities that many of these other schools offer. Also, the fact that the NCAA has nailed the school with sanction twice in a 16 year period, hasn't help things either.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Miami's collapse has been spectacular. This is a program that arguably was #1 in accomplishments in 2002.
UW's collapse has been noteworthy. Only Colorado's (in terms of an accomplished peer) has been worse.
But Jim Owens' last 11 years weren't a whole lot different than 2003 to 2013. The lows weren't quite as bad (1-9 in 1969 and 2-9 in 1973) and the highs were better (two 8-3 seasons). Overall it was only slight less shitty than the recent period.
I think winning fixes all kinds of problems, but therein lies a bit of a chicken/egg dilemma.
The stadium situation sucks. It's not a bad venue, but the location sucks and it lacks that clear connection to the city of Miami that the Orange Bowl had.
Shannon and Golden have recruited some damn good players there though. They're still getting their share.
Hot up and comers will look at Dade County alone and see what can be done there. It's just a matter of the program being lucky enough to pick the right one.
They were a mess before Butch Davis showed up.
