and Urban Meyer has always been about smashmouth football within that offense, nothing has changed but the players. He was just as smashmouth at Florider with Tim Tebow, and at Utah with Alex Smith.
Devil, I see you suffer from the same delusions as that dipshitted duck.. At least GET to a big game In your proin plram's history then pop off for somebody else..
We dont arbitrarily pick 8 years or 10 years as a measuruing stick. We use HISTORY, dating back many decades.
And OBK you filthy gine, the poll systems were In place for a fucking century so dont try to discredit the system that granted UW 2 titles, as it has 10 times the validity of the chicken-shit and corrupt BCSEC. The bcs lasted a whopping 16 years duck, and the jury still out on the playoff.
And listen duckerd, the ducks didnt revolutionalize offense. Urban Meyer did.
It's understandable that you would want to use ancient history to compare UW to UO. The current distance between the two programs, after all, is about like Andromeda from the Milky Way - a few million lights years. Also Urban Meyer hasn't done shit for revolutionizing except to pilfer ideas from Chip Kelly. He's followed him around like a louse, conducting espionage at the UO and in Philadelphia.
That's interesting since Chip was an OC at New Hampshire while Meyer was head coach at Bowling Green, Utah and Florida, turning programs around, winning BCS bowl games, and his first national championship using a system he developed, and if you look at tOSU, his "system" has evolved to look a lot more like an old school smash mouth football team. Just ask Ned Beatty the ducks who were bare pickled in the discipline hole steam rolled in the true Rose Bowl Arlington Bowl.
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Obk is actually right about that, Meyer switched to running more inside zone and other Oregon stuff the last couple years. Check out Chris Brown's recent grantland article. The big difference is just that Ohio still has better linemen, a better coach.
Right about what? Meyer didn't "follow Kelly around like a louse, conducting espionage at UO". The most obvious point is that Kelly wasn't even at Oregon when Kelly was marking his spot in the College Football Hall of Fame. More subtle is that while Meyer was at Bowling Green, Utah and Florida, he considered much of what Oregon later adopted (when Kelly did finally land there) to be "finesse" and instead ran a much more smash mouth version of the spread.
At tOSU, Meyer did hire Tom Herman to be his OC, who did in turn convince Meyer to incorporate more zone read and zone blocking there. And I don't doubt that both Meyer and Herman have discussed a lot of coaching with Kelly, along with other successful coaches, they are in a unique fraternity after all, but look at that GIF in the PM to OBK thread again. You don't see small guys on the OL using cut blocking techniques. You see men pushing around the boys lined up across the line of scrimmage from them and a man child exploding through the gaping whole they just tore open. This evolution of Meyer's offense uses more zone read than it has in the past but it also uses old school brute force smash mouth power.
But forget about the offense. Have you ever seen a Chip Kelly team, or any Oregon team for that matter, with the kind of defense Meyer fields? They were good at Utah, had some that were borderline great at Florida, and it would be hard to argue that the group he as at tOSU are not better than any the PAC has seen since Carroll was at USC. This my fren is the real distinction between championship coaches and also rans. Defense matters, you can't win at the highest level without it. Great defense significantly increases the margin of error for the offense. It will keep you in and win you games outright. It wins championships.
Ha! Washington fan's can't deal with like 12 loses in a row to the Ducks since they feel so entitled to greatness, so they throw crap back at Oregon with nothing to compete with. Oregon fans don't get the abuse from ASU, even with beating us 8 games straight. You people really should learn some humility.Total amnesia seems to prevade this board on losing to ASU for the last ten games? Why you would be so cocky and talk so much smack is just lame with Washington's record? Avearge at best like ASU, and trending down lately. 2015 is going to be a bad one without a offense and graduation to the defense.
8 wins in a row? I didn't know how many teams are approaching the duckade.
Pretty sure everyone but Stanford and Arizona. You haven't played USC enough. UCLA is at 6?
But how does that make the conference a Dreckfest?
Fremont, 75-80% of the national titles are won by upperclassmen QBs. (Now thats an educated estimate Tommy), so dont spend 2 days of research and spring 74% on the bored with your silly little torch vid. Watch more than 2 years of college football and check back. OK twinkle toes?
Just for shits and giggles ... last 10 National Championship QBs:
2014: Ohio State (JT Barrett - Frosh, Cardale Jones - Soph) 2013: Florida State (Jameis Winston - Frosh) 2012: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Junior) 2011: Alabama (AJ McCarron - Sophomore) 2010: Auburn (Cam Newton - Junior) 2009: Alabama (Greg McElroy - Junior) 2008: Florida (Tim Tebow - Junior) 2007: LSU (Matt Flynn - Senior) 2006: Florida (Chris Leak - Senior) 2005: Texas (Vince Young - Junior)
Now, PL_SS is going to look at that list and puff his chest.
But what's interesting to this list to me is the number of QBs that won with little experience going into the season. Each of the last 2 years that was the case. When McCarron won in 2011 he took over for McElroy. Newton's title came in his first year as a starter. Flynn was a backup to Randle and Russell before starting as a senior.
What I think you can conclude from the list is that the extra maturity that comes with being in your 3rd to 5th year within the program is a helpful trait in winning a national championship, the experience that comes with it of having had 25+ starts going into the season isn't necessarily a predictor of success. If anything, what this list proves is that QBs in college football can be as dependent upon the system and players around them as their own special and unique talents.
Now, before people go twisting, Cyler Miles still sucks as a QB and Jonathan Smith has a "prove it" to me bullseye on himself going forward.
Booby, you're ruining this forum. Just shut the fuck up and post a something sensical or dont post at all. Ducks have Royce Freeman and better, faster athletes than UW. WSU can score quickly, keep up with Oregon. We cannot yet. Buttfuck idiot!
Who might challenge him. I see the pac12 as pitiful next year. Stanford and senior Kevin Hogan are their only real competition. Maybe Zona,Oregon...maybe CAL?
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At tOSU, Meyer did hire Tom Herman to be his OC, who did in turn convince Meyer to incorporate more zone read and zone blocking there. And I don't doubt that both Meyer and Herman have discussed a lot of coaching with Kelly, along with other successful coaches, they are in a unique fraternity after all, but look at that GIF in the PM to OBK thread again. You don't see small guys on the OL using cut blocking techniques. You see men pushing around the boys lined up across the line of scrimmage from them and a man child exploding through the gaping whole they just tore open. This evolution of Meyer's offense uses more zone read than it has in the past but it also uses old school brute force smash mouth power.
But forget about the offense. Have you ever seen a Chip Kelly team, or any Oregon team for that matter, with the kind of defense Meyer fields? They were good at Utah, had some that were borderline great at Florida, and it would be hard to argue that the group he as at tOSU are not better than any the PAC has seen since Carroll was at USC. This my fren is the real distinction between championship coaches and also rans. Defense matters, you can't win at the highest level without it. Great defense significantly increases the margin of error for the offense. It will keep you in and win you games outright. It wins championships.
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