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So we know Saudi Arabia is backing the Islamic State, and are pretty sure

OZONE
OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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...that they were the PRIMARY backers of the 9/11 terrorists...

...tell me again with Iran is our big fucking concern?

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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    nukes are waaaaaaaaay overrated.

    War is kool when there's a level playing field.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    Did you hear the Eagles released Tebow?
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    did it level the playing feeeld?
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    You like to oversimplify geopolitics, that's what you like to do.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    I think you overestimate Tebow's roll in geopolitics.
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  • PurpleReign
    PurpleReign Member Posts: 5,479
    edited September 2015
    I just want to watch televised Afghan Sheep Polo in peace.

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  • JaWarrenJaHooker
    JaWarrenJaHooker Member Posts: 2,122
    Jet fuel can't melt steel
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  • PurpleReign
    PurpleReign Member Posts: 5,479
    JaWarrenJaHooker said:

    Jet fuel can't melt steel

    A limp noodle will hold up a meatball just as good as a melted noodle will.
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited September 2015
    doogsinparadise said:

    You like to oversimplify geopolitics, that's what you like to do.

    It isn't an oversimplification at all. It is clarity.

    The Israel lobby and the Saudi lobby both want us to hate Iran.

    The religious right think it is their moral obligation to support god's chosen people and thus do whatever Israel wants; and the power brokers of the imported oil dependent economy think we need to do what the Saudis want, because "they are our friends".

    With friends like the Saudis (backers of 9/11 and of IS)... who the fuck needs enemies?

    The "issue" of Iran is just to distract the sheople.
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  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    In 20 years Iran will be an ally of the US. It is a country with huge potential in the decades to come. It has excellent demographics and the young people are modernized, educated and very pro West. The old nutjobs there don't like the US because it overthrew their government and installed a tyrant. The young people have no recollection of that. In another decade or two the old nutjobs will be gone.
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  • NSA_Dawg
    NSA_Dawg Member Posts: 85
    If you want to make accusations out here, take responsibility for them. Sign your real name to them. If not, that's what gets deleted. Always have, always will. You don't get to trash people out here anonymously. Use your real name or don't do it.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    OZONE said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    You like to oversimplify geopolitics, that's what you like to do.

    It isn't an oversimplification at all. It is clarity.

    The Israel lobby and the Saudi lobby both want us to hate Iran.

    The religious right think it is their moral obligation to support god's chosen people and thus do whatever Israel wants; and the power brokers of the imported oil dependent economy think we need to do what the Saudis want, because "they are our friends".

    With friends like the Saudis (backers of 9/11 and of IS)... who the fuck needs enemies?

    The "issue" of Iran is just to distract the sheople.
    I'm sorry, but Saudi supports Jaish not IS because IS could metastasize within the kingdom and lead to internal revolt as is currently happening in Egypt.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Iran has been the only thing propping up the genocidal Assad regime for the last 18 months, so good luck telling Syrian Sunnis who have fled the country that Iran is a paper tiger.
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    doogsinparadise said:

    Iran has been the only thing propping up the genocidal Assad regime for the last 18 months.

    You must not have heard of Russia.
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    doogsinparadise said:

    OZONE said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    You like to oversimplify geopolitics, that's what you like to do.

    It isn't an oversimplification at all. It is clarity.

    The Israel lobby and the Saudi lobby both want us to hate Iran.

    The religious right think it is their moral obligation to support god's chosen people and thus do whatever Israel wants; and the power brokers of the imported oil dependent economy think we need to do what the Saudis want, because "they are our friends".

    With friends like the Saudis (backers of 9/11 and of IS)... who the fuck needs enemies?

    The "issue" of Iran is just to distract the sheople.
    Saudi supports Jaish not IS
    Jaish is the new player that Saudi is propping up now. Before them, they were supporting IS, if not the official Kingdom, then wealthy Saudi citizens that live under the protection of the monarchy -- just like the wealthy Saudi supporters of 9/11. These wealthy citizens are still supporting the IS terrorists. But Iran is what the sheople worry about.

    Saudi Arabia has always been a monarchy (tyranny) -- while Iran had a democracy (before the US oil fear mongers overthrew it).

    Iran is not the enemy. Saudi Arabia is.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Fresh blood to throw into the hungry maw of battle is what counts, and until this week that role has been filled solely by Iran and Hizbullah. Weapons and money are nice, but then again Assad has always outgunned the opposition so that isn't the issue. You claim to find the Saudi monarchy problematic but have no issue with the theocrats in Iran? I tend to find more common ground with the average Persian, but common cultural ground shouldn't be the basis of a foreign policy.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    In 20 years Iran will be an ally of the US. It is a country with huge potential in the decades to come. It has excellent demographics and the young people are modernized, educated and very pro West. The old nutjobs there don't like the US because it overthrew their government and installed a tyrant. The young people have no recollection of that. In another decade or two the old nutjobs will be gone.

    I couldn't agree more but until the younger generation can wrest the power from the ayatollahs , they will remain a huge threat to the region and the world with a nuke.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Iran is an enemy irregardless of Saudi Arabia.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    Iran is an enemy irregardless of Saudi Arabia.

    Can't we all just get along?
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    doogsinparadise said:

    You claim to find the Saudi monarchy problematic but have no issue with the theocrats in Iran?

    That theocracy is only there because it is all that Iran had in it's arsenal to overthrow the dictator (shah) that the US and UK installed after we overthrew their democratically elected leader. It is a process there now. I'm optimistic they will get to a democracy again... as long as the US/UK don't stand in the way... and allow the Kingdom of Saudi and Israel to dictate our policies.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    OZONE said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    You claim to find the Saudi monarchy problematic but have no issue with the theocrats in Iran?

    That theocracy is only there because it is all that Iran had in it's arsenal to overthrow the dictator (shah) that the US and UK installed after we overthrew their democratically elected leader. It is a process there now. I'm optimistic they will get to a democracy again... as long as the US/UK don't stand in the way... and allow the Kingdom of Saudi and Israel to dictate our policies.
    Oppressive regimes don't usually just give up, as an example look at what happened in Egypt post-2011, or in Syria. The mullahs still have time and money on their side, and the anti-west line remains a pretty useful tool for rallying support. It's a big stretch to see Iranian behavior in Syria and Lebanon as likely to change much over the next few years, and so to say that we should give up nearly a century of support for the al-Saud family for more chaos and uncertainty doesn't strike me as a good choice.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Swaye said:

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    I know you are being sarcastic, but that would be ground zero sea, not ocean.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    You don't know anything about Bernie except you've heard he's a communist
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    doogsinparadise said:

    OZONE said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    You claim to find the Saudi monarchy problematic but have no issue with the theocrats in Iran?

    That theocracy is only there because it is all that Iran had in it's arsenal to overthrow the dictator (shah) that the US and UK installed after we overthrew their democratically elected leader. It is a process there now. I'm optimistic they will get to a democracy again... as long as the US/UK don't stand in the way... and allow the Kingdom of Saudi and Israel to dictate our policies.
    so to say that we should give up nearly a century of support for the al-Saud family for more chaos and uncertainty doesn't strike me as a good choice.
    Yes. When it becomes clear that the Saudis supported the 9/11 terrorists, and support IS, we should stop considering them our friends.


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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Taking over our embassy is cool though
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    RaceBannon said:

    Taking over our embassy is cool though

    When you overthrow a country's elected president and install a dictator, you're lucky when all they do in response is take over your embassy.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    OZONE said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Taking over our embassy is cool though

    When you overthrow a country's elected president and install a dictator, you're lucky when all they do in response is take over your embassy.
    I'm sure the Saudis have a reason too then.

    Your logic fails. You should read a history book
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