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TCU and Offensive Improvement

RoadDawg55
RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,584 Swaye's Wigwam
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A preemptive fuck off to @Tequilla. Same QB, mostly same players and TCU went from 88th in scoring to 2nd in one year. Boykin was largely seen as a great athlete but shitty QB. New coordinators, new scheme, new attitude and he finishes 2nd in the Heisman. I've been on record saying this offensive system sucks and I openly question whether Petersen knows what he's doing on that side of the ball.

We lament about the talent, and it's not ideal, but the scheme matters. We've also said the head coach is all that matters, but I disagree. A position coach doesn't matter too much, but coordinator's do matter. Take advantage of the player's strength. Try and mask the weaknesses. Blaming it on the players didn't work for Ty, so why the fuck do poasters here do it for Peterman? I don't give a fuck who is playing for UW, finishing last in the conference is inexcusable. Not only should Smith have never been hired, he should have been fired for it. Even if he turns out to be decent, it's tough to imagine UW and a coach with Petersen's reputation couldn't do better.

Anyways, I thought this was an interesting read about a stunning improvement. The great coaches adapt and change when things are going downhill. Don James in the late 80's is the example at UW and Gary Patterson is another great example. Hopefully Petersen can do the same.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/08/17/tcu-horned-frogs-offense-gary-patterson-sonny-cumbie-doug-meacham
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,584 Swaye's Wigwam
    Mad_Son said:

    RoadDawg55 said:


    We've also said the head coach is all that matters, but I disagree.

    Well you're wrong. The issues you pointed out are symptoms of the head coach making a bad hiring decision. It all starts and ends with the head coach. Bad coordinators are on the head coach. It's not Smith's fault he is a bad OC (we'll assume you're right on that point) - it's Petersen's fault for hiring him.
    Very true and good point.
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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    I don't know how this stuff works, and I'm and outsider, but it struck me while reading this... what exactly do you expect Washington to do with an OL comprised mostly of RS Freshman?
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,363 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    A preemptive fuck off to @Tequilla. Same QB, mostly same players and TCU went from 88th in scoring to 2nd in one year. Boykin was largely seen as a great athlete but shitty QB. New coordinators, new scheme, new attitude and he finishes 2nd in the Heisman. I've been on record saying this offensive system sucks and I openly question whether Petersen knows what he's doing on that side of the ball.

    We lament about the talent, and it's not ideal, but the scheme matters. We've also said the head coach is all that matters, but I disagree. A position coach doesn't matter too much, but coordinator's do matter. Take advantage of the player's strength. Try and mask the weaknesses. Blaming it on the players didn't work for Ty, so why the fuck do poasters here do it for Peterman? I don't give a fuck who is playing for UW, finishing last in the conference is inexcusable. Not only should Smith have never been hired, he should have been fired for it. Even if he turns out to be decent, it's tough to imagine UW and a coach with Petersen's reputation couldn't do better.

    Anyways, I thought this was an interesting read about a stunning improvement. The great coaches adapt and change when things are going downhill. Don James in the late 80's is the example at UW and Gary Patterson is another great example. Hopefully Petersen can do the same.

    http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/08/17/tcu-horned-frogs-offense-gary-patterson-sonny-cumbie-doug-meacham


    We? I'm on record disagreeing with that as an absolute. Coordinators matter, as do recruiters, position coaches, the nutrition and S&C programs .... etc. It's the head coach's responsibility to make sure he hires good people, sets the tone and priorities, and coaches up his assistants. To that end, the head coach is all that matters, but the machine has a lot of important cogs.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,584 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited August 2015
    OZONE said:

    I don't know how this stuff works, and I'm and outsider, but it struck me while reading this... what exactly do you expect Washington to do with an OL comprised mostly of RS Freshman?

    Shelton (So), Eldrenkamp (jr), Tufunga (Sr), Brostek (Jr), and Matt James/Adams/McGary. One starting spot will be manned by a freshman to start the season.

    And I don't expect a great offense, but it should be markedly improved despite whatever talent shortcomings.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    haie said:

    OZONE said:

    I don't know how this stuff works, and I'm and outsider, but it struck me while reading this... what exactly do you expect Washington to do with an OL comprised mostly of RS Freshman?

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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    I think about TCU a lot in regards to the offense. They are a great example of how in today's modern football you can hire the right OC and get your act together in a single offseason.

    It actually gives me hope going forward. I trust Petersen to make tough decisions if he has to at the end of this year. And if he does have to fire Babushka and he makes the right hire, it is entirely possible to get better in a hurry.
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