Teachers don't get 3 months paid vacation. They get a salary for 190 days of work and it gets divided up into 12 months.
HTH
When you work 60 fewer days per year than most people, you're getting three months (20 working days per month) of extra vacation.
Did you teach Vernon Adams math in school?
You are really stupid. Teachers sign contracts for 9 months of work, not 12.
CHRIST. You just made my point for me.
And they get paid for 9 months of work, not 12. How do you not understand this? Is it the concept of "paid vacation" you don't understand or do you not understand how salaries work? I'm Guessing you've never had a job that had either
You just told me that they get paid all 12 months of the year. 9 months of work, 3 months of paid vacation.
I've had a REAL job with paid vacation for 15 years now. I know how it works.
Ok boobs. I'm worried about you passing the SBAC so we're going down to the special ed math class where they break things down.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary. The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year. The teacher earns a salary of $9. If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
B - Another teacher works at an imaginary school that gives "free paid vacation" for the 3 months he is not working. He also gets $1 a month for salary. He gets $9 for his 9 months of work and then gets $3 for the months he is not working - his "free paid vacation" This teacher makes $12 for 9 months of work and 3 months of paid vacation.
Scenario A is the way teacher salaries work. Teachers get the $9.
Let's say I agreed to pay you $12 for mowing my lawn on Monday. You mow my lawn and I give you $9 and tell you to come back tomorrow for the other $3. You come back, you don't do any lawn mowing but I give you the $3 I owe you. Did I give you payment for doing no work? No, I just gave you the money you already worked for. That's how teacher summers work. They give you the money you already earned. When you take a paid vacation, you don't do anything but you get paid for a full day's work anyways.
Ok boobs. I'm worried about you passing the SBAC so we're going down to the special ed math class where they break things down.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary. The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year. The teacher earns a salary of $9. If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
Let's say I agreed to pay you $12 for mowing my lawn on Monday. You mow my lawn and I give you $9 and tell you to come back tomorrow for the other $3. You come back, you don't do any lawn mowing but I give you the $3 I owe you. Did I give you payment for doing no work? No, I just gave you the money you already worked for. That's how teacher summers work. They give you the money you already earned. When you take a paid vacation, you don't do anything but you get paid for a full day's work anyways.
I punch you in the FACE and break your jaw in this scenario.
If you have to use the Sark tactic of inventing bullshit hypothetical situations to make your argument, you've already admitted defeat.
At least you know why the rest of us hate you Section 14a Fucking Stupid teachers now.
Ok boobs. I'm worried about you passing the SBAC so we're going down to the special ed math class where they break things down.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary. The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year. The teacher earns a salary of $9. If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
Even Vernon Adams thinks you really suck at math.
9/12 is 0.75, not 1.
No shit. I'm making the point that teachers are not paid for 12 months of the year. They are paid for 9.
Let's say I agreed to pay you $12 for mowing my lawn on Monday. You mow my lawn and I give you $9 and tell you to come back tomorrow for the other $3. You come back, you don't do any lawn mowing but I give you the $3 I owe you. Did I give you payment for doing no work? No, I just gave you the money you already worked for. That's how teacher summers work. They give you the money you already earned. When you take a paid vacation, you don't do anything but you get paid for a full day's work anyways.
I punch you in the FACE and break your jaw in this scenario.
If you have to use the Sark tactic of inventing bullshit hypothetical situations to make your argument, you've already admitted defeat.
At least you know why the rest of us hate you Section 14a Fucking Stupid teachers now.
I'll take your angry outburst and calling me Sark as you finally realizing I'm right. I'm sorry it took so long. It's not really a difficult concept to grasp
Ok boobs. I'm worried about you passing the SBAC so we're going down to the special ed math class where they break things down.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary. The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year. The teacher earns a salary of $9. If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
Even Vernon Adams thinks you really suck at math.
9/12 is 0.75, not 1.
No shit. I'm making the point that teachers are not paid for 12 months of the year. They are paid for 9.
If I were a teacher and I was tired of my salary (which is fair for the value returned), I would find something else to do during the summer to supplement. Fucking christ, it is so simple and just proves what pussies people are. Not to mention the other things teachers can do like tutor rich people's retarded kids (which the money there is really good if you teach something useful like math).
Or better yet, be a good enough teacher to get on a private school.
These people need to put their money where their mouths and actually nail themselves to their fucking crosses. And don't even get me started about firefighters. The next time I drive by Doc Harris and see those faggots out playing soccer I might just go Carmageddon on their asses.
Ok boobs. I'm worried about you passing the SBAC so we're going down to the special ed math class where they break things down.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary. The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year. The teacher earns a salary of $9. If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
Even Vernon Adams thinks you really suck at math.
9/12 is 0.75, not 1.
No shit. I'm making the point that teachers are not paid for 12 months of the year. They are paid for 9.
Then why do they get paid during their vacations?
Because they are paid about 3/4 of their contractual salary they earned during the non-summer months. They do this for tax reasons and so that teachers are gEttinger part oF their saLary in the months they arent on contract. They could just as easily give their entire salary as a lump sum in january. That wouldn't mean they are working for free the other 11 months. They could also only pay teachers the 9 months they work. It would be the EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. Look, I'm not gonna do this anymore. Teachers are not paid for time they are sitting on their ass unless they take a "paid leave day". During summer they are being given the 1/4 of their contractual pay they already earned but was witheld
There's nothing else I can say about this. I'm done. Have a great day.
Ok boobs. I'm worried about you passing the SBAC so we're going down to the special ed math class where they break things down.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary. The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year. The teacher earns a salary of $9. If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
Even Vernon Adams thinks you really suck at math.
9/12 is 0.75, not 1.
No shit. I'm making the point that teachers are not paid for 12 months of the year. They are paid for 9.
Then why do they get paid during their vacations?
Because they are paid about 3/4 of their contractual salary they earned during the non-summer months. They do this for tax reasons and so that teachers are gEttinger part oF their saLary in the months they arent on contract. They could just as easily give their entire salary as a lump sum in january. That wouldn't mean they are working for free the other 11 months. They could also only pay teachers the 9 months they work. It would be the EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. Look, I'm not gonna do this anymore. Teachers are not paid for time they are sitting on their ass unless they take a "paid leave day". During summer they are being given the 1/4 of their contractual pay they already earned but was witheld
There's nothing else I can say about this. I'm done. Have a great day.
That's exactly how a paid vacation works. I get the same thing at my job.
Being a teacher is, at least partially, a lifestyle choice. It's rare to find a job where you can get 3 months off plus all the generous holidays (1 week in the spring, 2 weeks during Christmas, most Federal holidays, etc etc) while also having job protection based off on first in, last out.
But why are there teacher's unions anyway? They say it's all about the kids but unions inherently exist to extract as much money and as many benefits / concessions possible from the people paying the bills, aka taxpayers.
Frankly I think public sector unions are unethical and unjust because they conspire with politicians to hose taxpayers for their own benefit. That's one of the main reasons why the WEA and Randi Weingartner scream bloody murder when it comes to Charter Schools because Charter Schools, for all intents and purposes, reduce the WEA's assets under management and allocates some out of their control.
If I were a teacher and I was tired of my salary (which is fair for the value returned), I would find something else to do during the summer to supplement. Fucking christ, it is so simple and just proves what pussies people are. Not to mention the other things teachers can do like tutor rich people's retarded kids (which the money there is really good if you teach something useful like math).
Or better yet, be a good enough teacher to get on a private school.
These people need to put their money where their mouths and actually nail themselves to their fucking crosses. And don't even get me started about firefighters. The next time I drive by Doc Harris and see those faggots out playing soccer I might just go Carmageddon on their asses.
Seriously, I wish I had 3 months off from my job where I could do something else on the side to make money and be stress-free if that project went to shit.
Being a teacher is, at least partially, a lifestyle choice. It's rare to find a job where you can get 3 months off plus all the generous holidays (1 week in the spring, 2 weeks during Christmas, most Federal holidays, etc etc) while also having job protection based off on first in, last out.
But why are there teacher's unions anyway? They say it's all about the kids but unions inherently exist to extract as much money and as many benefits / concessions possible from the people paying the bills, aka taxpayers.
Frankly I think public sector unions are unethical and unjust because they conspire with politicians to hose taxpayers for their own benefit. That's one of the main reasons why the WEA and Randi Weingartner scream bloody murder when it comes to Charter Schools because Charter Schools, for all intents and purposes, reduce the WEA's assets under management and allocates some out of their control.
If I were a teacher and I was tired of my salary (which is fair for the value returned), I would find something else to do during the summer to supplement. Fucking christ, it is so simple and just proves what pussies people are. Not to mention the other things teachers can do like tutor rich people's retarded kids (which the money there is really good if you teach something useful like math).
Or better yet, be a good enough teacher to get on a private school.
These people need to put their money where their mouths and actually nail themselves to their fucking crosses. And don't even get me started about firefighters. The next time I drive by Doc Harris and see those faggots out playing soccer I might just go Carmageddon on their asses.
I agree. If I could opt out of the union, I would. Most teachers do not like their unions but they are required to belong to them (and pay them a rediculous amount of money). The above exchange is a perfect t example of why I will never say teachers are underpaid. The compensation is just fine for working 9 months out of the year. And yes, there are some shitty teachers, just like any job but the majority are incredibly hard working which is why I take offense when people try to shit on the profession.
Teachers don't get 3 months paid vacation. They get a salary for 190 days of work and it gets divided up into 12 months.
HTH
When you work 60 fewer days per year than most people, you're getting three months (20 working days per month) of extra vacation.
Did you teach Vernon Adams math in school?
You are really stupid. Teachers sign contracts for 9 months of work, not 12.
CHRIST. You just made my point for me.
Teachers get paid vacation just like the rest of us, they just get three months of it.
They are overpaid for being 3/4 time employees.
This should have ended the thread. How the contract is structured and how the salary is distributed are irrelevant.
The bottom line that really matters is what is the TOTAL annual cost of a teacher to tax payers? Salary, benefits, pension, employment taxes, training, overhead, ..... etc. That number would piss off most tax payers.
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I've had a REAL job with paid vacation for 15 years now. I know how it works.
A - The teacher is paid $1 a month per his salary.
The teacher works 9 months out of a 12 month year.
The teacher earns a salary of $9.
If you divide $9 / 12 months, you get the teachers monthly pay
B - Another teacher works at an imaginary school that gives "free paid vacation" for the 3 months he is not working.
He also gets $1 a month for salary.
He gets $9 for his 9 months of work and then gets $3 for the months he is not working - his "free paid vacation"
This teacher makes $12 for 9 months of work and 3 months of paid vacation.
Scenario A is the way teacher salaries work. Teachers get the $9.
Let's say I agreed to pay you $12 for mowing my lawn on Monday. You mow my lawn and I give you $9 and tell you to come back tomorrow for the other $3. You come back, you don't do any lawn mowing but I give you the $3 I owe you. Did I give you payment for doing no work? No, I just gave you the money you already worked for. That's how teacher summers work. They give you the money you already earned. When you take a paid vacation, you don't do anything but you get paid for a full day's work anyways.
9/12 is 0.75, not 1.
If you have to use the Sark tactic of inventing bullshit hypothetical situations to make your argument, you've already admitted defeat.
At least you know why the rest of us hate you Section 14a Fucking Stupid teachers now.
Or better yet, be a good enough teacher to get on a private school.
These people need to put their money where their mouths and actually nail themselves to their fucking crosses. And don't even get me started about firefighters. The next time I drive by Doc Harris and see those faggots out playing soccer I might just go Carmageddon on their asses.
There's nothing else I can say about this.
I'm done.
Have a great day.
But why are there teacher's unions anyway? They say it's all about the kids but unions inherently exist to extract as much money and as many benefits / concessions possible from the people paying the bills, aka taxpayers.
Frankly I think public sector unions are unethical and unjust because they conspire with politicians to hose taxpayers for their own benefit. That's one of the main reasons why the WEA and Randi Weingartner scream bloody murder when it comes to Charter Schools because Charter Schools, for all intents and purposes, reduce the WEA's assets under management and allocates some out of their control.
The bottom line that really matters is what is the TOTAL annual cost of a teacher to tax payers? Salary, benefits, pension, employment taxes, training, overhead, ..... etc. That number would piss off most tax payers.