Comprehensive, 25-year list of every Husky football player who truly excelled as a true frosh.
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The trve Doogs are the people that don't think Peterman will recruit a better qb than Browning in the next three years.
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If Browning and whomever are tied, redshirt him. If he's clearly better, play him. If not, we're probably talking three starters (technically four) in three years. That's a lot of turnover.
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Sark. duhTTJ said:
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I would add Kikaha. He was already excellent by the end of his freshman season.TTJ said:Who am I forgetting?
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And yet somehow overcame the devastating setback of a redshirt season to become an All-American.The_Undertaker said:
I would add Kikaha. He was already excellent by the end of his freshman season.TTJ said:Who am I forgetting?
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And why did he redshirt again?TTJ said:
And yet somehow overcame the devastating setback of a redshirt season to become an All-American.The_Undertaker said:
I would add Kikaha. He was already excellent by the end of his freshman season.TTJ said:Who am I forgetting?
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This.RoadDawg55 said:
And why did he redshirt again?TTJ said:
And yet somehow overcame the devastating setback of a redshirt season to become an All-American.The_Undertaker said:
I would add Kikaha. He was already excellent by the end of his freshman season.TTJ said:Who am I forgetting?
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If the claim is that redshirting somehow impedes a player's development, then success after delayed redshirts disproves it just as readily as success after first-year redshirts does.
When it comes to QBs, there are tons of examples of RS-FR QBs that had prolific success. Including two of the past three Heisman winners. Where are the splashy true frosh QBs?
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I think those guys would have even better as true sophomores.TTJ said:If the claim is that redshirting somehow impedes a player's development, then success after delayed redshirts disproves it just as readily as success after first-year redshirts does.
When it comes to QBs, there are tons of examples of RS-FR QBs that had prolific success. Including two of the past three Heisman winners. Where are the splashy true frosh QBs?
If redshirting is so harmful, why does any program ever do it?
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No, it does not disprove anything. A player can improve with a good coach. A player can improve more with a better coach. Redshirting does not retard your growth. A player can improve from the previous year simply by being on the team and red shirting. He will improve more by actually playing.TTJ said:If the claim is that redshirting somehow impedes a player's development, then success after delayed redshirts disproves it just as readily as success after first-year redshirts does.
When it comes to QBs, there are tons of examples of RS-FR QBs that had prolific success. Including two of the past three Heisman winners. Where are the splashy true frosh QBs?
If redshirting is so harmful, why does any program ever do it?
The comparison is not between rs-frosh vs true frosh. It is between rs-frosh and true sophs. You are the only person on this bored that believes Baker and Jones and Dissly would have been equally prepared for 2015 had they red shirted last year vs actually playing last year.
Teams redshirt players because most true frosh are not good enough to earn playing time. Coach James redshirted nearly all of his frosh, yet the majority of his first round picks did not redshirt. Because they were really, really good.
The goal is to get a team that is so deep, few, if any, true frosh can crack the depth chart. And as Coach James showed, in the rare instances where the true frosh are good enough to crack the depth chart, you play them. If Browning emerges from fall camp as the best qb, play him. If Lindquist or ACS is the best, you play them. -
Paul arnold and his kick off return deserve at least partial credit right?TTJ said:Reggie Williams.
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James had ten first-rounders. I count two who didn't redshirt.RavennaDawg said:The comparison is not between rs-frosh vs true frosh. It is between rs-frosh and true sophs. You are the only person on this bored that believes Baker and Jones and Dissly would have been equally prepared for 2015 had they red shirted last year vs actually playing last year.
Teams redshirt players because most true frosh are not good enough to earn playing time. Coach James redshirted nearly all of his frosh, yet the majority of his first round picks did not redshirt. Because they were really, really good.
The goal is to get a team that is so deep, few, if any, true frosh can crack the depth chart. And as Coach James showed, in the rare instances where the true frosh are good enough to crack the depth chart, you play them. If Browning emerges from fall camp as the best qb, play him. If Lindquist or ACS is the best, you play them.
Teams redshirt players because 19YO freshmen are stronger and execute better than 18YO freshmen; 23YO seniors are stronger and better than 22YO seniors.
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Yeah, I caught that. How are those citations coming along?TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think those guys would have even better as true sophomores.
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First rounders don't stay for five years in the 21st century.TTJ said:
James had ten first-rounders. I count two who didn't redshirt.RavennaDawg said:The comparison is not between rs-frosh vs true frosh. It is between rs-frosh and true sophs. You are the only person on this bored that believes Baker and Jones and Dissly would have been equally prepared for 2015 had they red shirted last year vs actually playing last year.
Teams redshirt players because most true frosh are not good enough to earn playing time. Coach James redshirted nearly all of his frosh, yet the majority of his first round picks did not redshirt. Because they were really, really good.
The goal is to get a team that is so deep, few, if any, true frosh can crack the depth chart. And as Coach James showed, in the rare instances where the true frosh are good enough to crack the depth chart, you play them. If Browning emerges from fall camp as the best qb, play him. If Lindquist or ACS is the best, you play them.
Teams redshirt players because 19YO freshmen are stronger and execute better than 18YO freshmen; 23YO seniors are stronger and better than 22YO seniors.
Dissly. That's rich.
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Of the seven QBs drafted in 2015, only one (Garrett Grayson) didn't redshirt. Next?TierbsHsotBoobs said:First rounders don't stay for five years in the 21st century.
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Your research is only relevant if the players that redshirted stayed Their full-allotment of eligibility. That's pretty much the only thing you can argue. No shit a player in that 5th year is better than the 4th year. If you don't get the 5th year it's arguable the RS JR year would have featured a better version of that talented player if they had spent year 1 getting game experience vs. scout team reps.TTJ said:
Of the seven QBs drafted in 2015, only one (Garrett Grayson) didn't redshirt. Next?TierbsHsotBoobs said:First rounders don't stay for five years in the 21st century.
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Are we done here?
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How many of them were redshirt seniors?TTJ said:
Of the seven QBs drafted in 2015, only one (Garrett Grayson) didn't redshirt. Next?TierbsHsotBoobs said:First rounders don't stay for five years in the 21st century.
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FreeChavez said:
Paul arnold and his kick off return deserve at least partial credit right?TTJ said:Reggie Williams.
alternate versionFreeChavez said:
@JawarrenJaHooker and his kick off return deserve at least partial credit right?TTJ said:Reggie Williams.
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P'shaw!!!!RavennaDawg said:Just to be clear, your two points are:
1) Even if Browning is the best qb, he should redshirt because 2019.
2) Players improve just as much by sitting on the bench and observing as they do actually playing in games.
Browning will be a 1st rd draft pick in 2019 if left to languish on the bench with a red jersey.
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Congratulations. You officially know more about CFB than Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly, Mike Riley, Art Briles, Rick Neuheisel, and Pat Fitzgerald. Those are the morons who "wasted" the would-be true frosh brilliance of Winston, Mariota, Mannion, Petty, Hundley, and Siemian, respectively.Doogles said:Your research is only relevant if the players that redshirted stayed Their full-allotment of eligibility. That's pretty much the only thing you can argue. No shit a player in that 5th year is better than the 4th year. If you don't get the 5th year it's arguable the RS JR year would have featured a better version of that talented player if they had spent year 1 getting game experience vs. scout team reps.
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You don't get it.TTJ said:
Congratulations. You officially know more about CFB than Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly, Mike Riley, Art Briles, Rick Neuheisel, and Pat Fitzgerald. Those are the morons who "wasted" the would-be true frosh brilliance of Winston, Mariota, Mannion, Petty, Hundley, and Siemian, respectively.Doogles said:Your research is only relevant if the players that redshirted stayed Their full-allotment of eligibility. That's pretty much the only thing you can argue. No shit a player in that 5th year is better than the 4th year. If you don't get the 5th year it's arguable the RS JR year would have featured a better version of that talented player if they had spent year 1 getting game experience vs. scout team reps.
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Nope.
How about this: Name five QBs in the history of CFB who were worth a damn as true frosh.
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Flagged for implying that Fisher, Riley, and Fitzgerald are good coaches.TTJ said:
Congratulations. You officially know more about CFB than Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly, Mike Riley, Art Briles, Rick Neuheisel, and Pat Fitzgerald. Those are the morons who "wasted" the would-be true frosh brilliance of Winston, Mariota, Mannion, Petty, Hundley, and Siemian, respectively.Doogles said:Your research is only relevant if the players that redshirted stayed Their full-allotment of eligibility. That's pretty much the only thing you can argue. No shit a player in that 5th year is better than the 4th year. If you don't get the 5th year it's arguable the RS JR year would have featured a better version of that talented player if they had spent year 1 getting game experience vs. scout team reps.
Damn, you're smart.
Also, Neuheisel got himself fired for keeping Hundley redshirted.
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Perhaps after witnessing the dumpster fire that was Cody Pickett's true frosh garbage time appearance in Corvallis in '99.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Also, Neuheisel got himself fired for keeping Hundley redshirted.
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Why don't you hate @ArtBriles?????TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Flagged for implying that Fisher, Riley, and Fitzgerald are good coaches.TTJ said:
Congratulations. You officially know more about CFB than Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly, Mike Riley, Art Briles, Rick Neuheisel, and Pat Fitzgerald. Those are the morons who "wasted" the would-be true frosh brilliance of Winston, Mariota, Mannion, Petty, Hundley, and Siemian, respectively.Doogles said:Your research is only relevant if the players that redshirted stayed Their full-allotment of eligibility. That's pretty much the only thing you can argue. No shit a player in that 5th year is better than the 4th year. If you don't get the 5th year it's arguable the RS JR year would have featured a better version of that talented player if they had spent year 1 getting game experience vs. scout team reps.
Damn, you're smart.
Also, Neuheisel got himself fired for keeping Hundley redshirted.
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I don't need to look far to find guys with great careers that played True Frosh year because they were the best players available. I like to redshirt guys when they aren't the best option, it seems wasteful to burn a shirt over a few plays. But if you're half done through the season and you can get better production from a kid, you play him.
Carson Palmer and Matt Barkley were the best options and had great careers.
Tui's career was fantastic and ended in a rose bowl championship.
Mason Rudolph just beat us in the Cactus Bowl. He was on pace to redshirt until the last 3 games when Gundy realized the better QB was sitting on the Bench. He battled against Baylor in his debut, upset Oklahoma, than beat the fuck out of us. Saved their season and now everyone is gizzing in their pants about his potential.
Goff is the best QB in the Pac, complete stud.
There's five without any research. Most of the great QBs go to great programs that already have great qb upperclassmen starting.
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You're proving my point. All of those guys became good QBs later. But none of them was good as a true frosh. None of them contributed a fraction as much to their teams in Year One that he would have contributed in a Year Five. Which is what makes the redshirt, in the face of a possible early exit later, a calculated risk worth making.
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They contributed to more wins in year 1 than if they hadn't played in year 1. You don't sacrifice a season for a hypothetical down the road. That year of lumps prepared them for the greatness ahead. Game experience can't be replicated. Ideally the program should be sturdy enough to not need these kids to step in.
AGAIN, i'm all for redshirting and players definitely develop on the sideline, but you can't have your best player at a position watching because he might be around to be something special his 5th year.
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What the fuck did I just read?
