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  • RavennaDawg
    RavennaDawg Member Posts: 846
    TTJ said:

    TTJ said:

    There is a mountain of evidence that playing true frosh is fool's gold. (At any position, much less QB.) And zero evidence that redshirting somehow retards a player's development.

    This is so astonishingly uncomplicated.

    [citation needed]
    If you need citations to understand that true frosh suck as a general rule, I cannot help you. Re-watching the past twenty years of Husky football would be a good start. Or perhaps re-reading this thread.
    "mountain of evidence". lol

    You want your program to be in a position where your talent level is such that very few true freshmen are talented enough to contribute. Coach James did not play very few true freshmen because of some obsession with redshirting; he played very few true freshmen because only players like Fenney, Bailey, Smith, Kaufman were good enough to see the field.

    No one except Lambo redshirted for the sake of redshirting, and Olson left early anyway.

    Seriously, do think Baker and Dissly will be less prepared for 2015 vs the rest of their class because they played last year?

    Peterman has never played a true frosh lineman. And he has never had a true frosh lineman able to make an impact like Trey Adams, which is why Adams will likely be Peterman's first ever true frosh lineman to play.

    Don't be afraid to play the best players.


  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    edited July 2015
    TTJ said:

    There is a mountain of evidence that playing true frosh is fool's gold. (At any position, much less QB.) And zero evidence that redshirting somehow retards a player's development.

    This is so astonishingly uncomplicated.

    Play the best players today to win the most you can today is how I see it. That's how most coaches tend to see it when asked about RS'ing. That's as uncomplicated as it gets.

    At most programs - that usually involves redshirting all lineman and QBs. But sometimes it doesn't.

    Otherwise you are necessarily saying wins in 2019 > wins in 2015.
  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    haie said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    In the perfect world, in order of importance.....

    1. Redshirt all OL and DL
    2. Redshirt QBs
    3. Redshirt everyone else

    At the end of the day, best players play.

    Exactly how I feel.

    You guys are dooging so hard for Browning it's unsettling.
    Because of the potential shitshow passing offense we might see this year if it's not him.
    More crisp.
  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    @BallSacked if a true frosh truly gives you a better chance to win, then I'd agree to play him. Where we disagree is with the assumption that Browning (or any other guy in the incoming class, with the possible exceptions of a couple ST guys like Chico or the LS guy) actually gives you that. True frosh are almost uniformly terrible, as detailed here and elsewhere.

    The smart money is almost always with redshirting.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    dnc said:

    Doogles said:

    Saying a guy at the QB position is worth 2-3 wins relative to their backup is not the same thing as saying John Ross is worth 2-3 wins.

    I'm sure Oregon would agree Dennis Dixon's knee was worth 2-3 wins.

    How many true frosh qbs have ever been worth 3 wins? Brownings not going to be the third to fourth all time.
    Josh Rosen.
    LOL, wut?

    I've been quooking hard WRT Big Play VA, but wow
  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    edited July 2015
    AZDuck said:

    dnc said:

    Doogles said:

    Saying a guy at the QB position is worth 2-3 wins relative to their backup is not the same thing as saying John Ross is worth 2-3 wins.

    I'm sure Oregon would agree Dennis Dixon's knee was worth 2-3 wins.

    How many true frosh qbs have ever been worth 3 wins? Brownings not going to be the third to fourth all time.
    Josh Rosen.
    LOL, wut?

    I've been quooking hard WRT Big Play VA, but wow
    huh?

    I think Josh Rosen is worth about 2 or 3 wins because Jerry Neu would go about 6-6 if he started this year.
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,707 Founders Club
    jerry literally made 1 pass in that game, for the game winning TD, what a broon legend
  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    brchco12 said:

    jerry literally made 1 pass in that game, for the game winning TD, what a broon legend

    Most broons know he's a walk-on, national media has made him out to be a legitimate D1 QB. Local rags all saw Rosen was far and away better in spring.

    It was cool story at Jerry World, but he has an Ivy League arm. It would severely limit the offense.