Comprehensive, 25-year list of every Husky football player who truly excelled as a true frosh.
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Take THAT Dante Pettis and Brayden Lenius! You guys haven't proven anything against the upper tier of the Pac-12 yet!!! Guffaw, guffaw.
On a serious note, this poast should be stickied. -
Kaufman, Bruener, String, String, Donald Butler
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Other true frosh who were adequate, or roughly equal in quality to the veteran(s) they were displacing:
Mark Bruener
Napoleon Kaufman
Sidney Jones
Other true frosh who were promising but ineffective:
Marques Tuiasosopo
Charles Frederick
Budda Baker
Shaq Thompson
Danny Shelton
Demorea Stringfellow
Other huge talents who basically sucked as true frosh:
Bishop Sankey
Chris Polk
Jermaine Kearse
Darrell Daniels
Who am I forgetting?
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Kohler and PorterTTJ said:Other true frosh who were adequate, or roughly equal in quality to the veteran(s) they were displacing:
Mark Bruener
Napoleon Kaufman
Sidney Jones
Other true frosh who were promising but ineffective:
Marques Tuiasosopo
Charles Frederick
Budda Baker
Shaq Thompson
Danny Shelton
Demorea Stringfellow
Other huge talents who basically sucked as true frosh:
Bishop Sankey
Chris Polk
Jermaine Kearse
Darrell Daniels
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Wasn't Derrick Johnson a pretty solid CB as a frosh on the RB team? Rich Alexis was pretty damn good as a true frosh, definitely the right decision to play him when we did since he sucked post Tui. Nate Robinson is the most glaring ommission from the list, he was downright nasty as a true frosh.
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How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
edit: and your list is missing the former IMA boxing champ -
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
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Just to be clear, your two points are:
1) Even if Browning is the best qb, he should redshirt because 2019.
2) Players improve just as much by sitting on the bench and observing as they do actually playing in games. -
Add Kasen to the "promising but ineffective list". Probably ASJ too.
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@dnc has this thread dialed in. Hell, I'd probably put ASJ in the Reggie category, and I'd put everybody else he's named into my second and third tiers.
Conceding every one of those guys, I think the point is abundantly clear: True frosh suck, as a general rule. The fact so few exceptions can be named in a 25-year period proves this point beyond debate.
Anybody who thinks Browning would contribute anything in 2015 close to what he would contribute in 2019 deserves another Owen12. -
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992.
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Reggie, Shaq, Asj, Sankey, Polk, all left early. Add Peters to the mix and it's clear to see the good guys aren't sticking around anyway. Butler and Shelton were the only guys who came back for their senior year who were supremely talented.
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Lotta twisting going on here. Ain't complicated. Redshirting hurts nobody. And it helps a lot of guys.RavennaDawg said:
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992. -
No twisting at all. And you are correct it ain't complicated.TTJ said:
Lotta twisting going on here. Ain't complicated. Redshirting hurts nobody. And it helps a lot of guys.RavennaDawg said:
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992.
I think you honestly think Baker did not help his development by playing last year. You sincerely believe that.
Playing when you have the ability to contribute accelerates your development.
The best players should play.
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Redshirting hurts your team when players leave without playing their redshirt senior seasons.TTJ said:
Lotta twisting going on here. Ain't complicated. Redshirting hurts nobody. And it helps a lot of guys.RavennaDawg said:
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992. -
I never really had an opinion on @RavennaDawg before now...
Now I think 2 things:
1) Ravenna is a nice neighborhood.
2) @RavennaDawg is a serious butt-hurt presser. -
If you think Browning will play for UW in 2019, you think he and Peterman both suck.
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I agree. Problem is, at UW anyway, this is nearly as rare as the true frosh who doesn't suck. Neither circumstance occurs frequently enough to outweigh the huge systemic benefits of routinely redshirting guys.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Redshirting hurts your team when players leave without playing their redshirt senior seasons.TTJ said:
Lotta twisting going on here. Ain't complicated. Redshirting hurts nobody. And it helps a lot of guys.RavennaDawg said:
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992. -
No list is compete without Ossai
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Olin kruetz. Played quite a bit and sideline reporter bill Swartz would always comment " the freshman Kruetz is really moving people around". I asked Lester towns at picture day Before season " who is impressing you". He said " Olin Kruetz, when he gets a hold of you you're going down".
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Play the best players.Dennis_DeYoung said:I never really had an opinion on @RavennaDawg before now...
Now I think 2 things:
1) Ravenna is a nice neighborhood.
2) @RavennaDawg is a serious butt-hurt presser.
Rarely are the existing quarterbacks so bad, or the true frosh so good, that you play the true frosh. But sometimes you do. Chandler was better than Pelleur, but not when Chandler was a true frosh and Pelleur was an rs-sr.. Winston was better than Manuel, but not during Winston's true frosh season. Bledsoe and P Manning were better as true frosh than their alternatives, so they both played.
If Lindquist is the best, you play him. If Browning is the best, you play him. Don't sacrifice wins today for some magical 2019 season, that will only matter Peterman fails to recruit/develop a qb to compete with 2019 Browning, while 2019 Browning is not good enough to turn pro after 4 years.
This obsession some people have with redshirting for the sake of redshirting is weird.
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TTJ said:
I agree. Problem is, at UW anyway, this is nearly as rare as the true frosh who doesn't suck. Neither circumstance occurs frequently enough to outweigh the huge systemic benefits of routinely redshirting guys.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Redshirting hurts your team when players leave without playing their redshirt senior seasons.TTJ said:
Lotta twisting going on here. Ain't complicated. Redshirting hurts nobody. And it helps a lot of guys.RavennaDawg said:
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992.
Shaq Thompson, Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikaha, and I shared a good laugh together after reading your post.TTJ said:
I agree. Problem is, at UW anyway, this is nearly as rare as the true frosh who doesn't suck. Neither circumstance occurs frequently enough to outweigh the huge systemic benefits of routinely redshirting guys.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Redshirting hurts your team when players leave without playing their redshirt senior seasons.TTJ said:
Lotta twisting going on here. Ain't complicated. Redshirting hurts nobody. And it helps a lot of guys.RavennaDawg said:
You really think he would have been worse in 1993 had he played in 1992? And he left after 4 years.TTJ said:
Yes, redshirting really seemed to set Lawyer Milloy back.RavennaDawg said:How many of those players would have been better in their second year in the program had they spent their first year on the bench and not getting actual game experience?
None.
As good as he was is 1993, I bet if you ask him he will say he would have been even more prepared had he seen the field some in 1992.
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Case and point.RavennaDawg said:
Play the best players.Dennis_DeYoung said:I never really had an opinion on @RavennaDawg before now...
Now I think 2 things:
1) Ravenna is a nice neighborhood.
2) @RavennaDawg is a serious butt-hurt presser.
Rarely are the existing quarterbacks so bad, or the true frosh so good, that you play the true frosh. But sometimes you do. Chandler was better than Pelleur, but not when Chandler was a true frosh and Pelleur was an rs-sr.. Winston was better than Manuel, but not during Winston's true frosh season. Bledsoe and P Manning were better as true frosh than their alternatives, so they both played.
If Lindquist is the best, you play him. If Browning is the best, you play him. Don't sacrifice wins today for some magical 2019 season, that will only matter Peterman fails to recruit/develop a qb to compete with 2019 Browning, while 2019 Browning is not good enough to turn pro after 4 years.
This obsession some people have with redshirting for the sake of redshirting is weird. -
Magic. LOL. It's called maturation.
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Yeah, dumb people just make me sad.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Case and point.RavennaDawg said:
Play the best players.Dennis_DeYoung said:I never really had an opinion on @RavennaDawg before now...
Now I think 2 things:
1) Ravenna is a nice neighborhood.
2) @RavennaDawg is a serious butt-hurt presser.
Rarely are the existing quarterbacks so bad, or the true frosh so good, that you play the true frosh. But sometimes you do. Chandler was better than Pelleur, but not when Chandler was a true frosh and Pelleur was an rs-sr.. Winston was better than Manuel, but not during Winston's true frosh season. Bledsoe and P Manning were better as true frosh than their alternatives, so they both played.
If Lindquist is the best, you play him. If Browning is the best, you play him. Don't sacrifice wins today for some magical 2019 season, that will only matter Peterman fails to recruit/develop a qb to compete with 2019 Browning, while 2019 Browning is not good enough to turn pro after 4 years.
This obsession some people have with redshirting for the sake of redshirting is weird.
I'm sure TTJ is a nice guy in real life, but he was absent from school they day they taught logic.
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Protip for the dumbasses in this thread: true sophomores are better than they would be as redshirt freshmen, true juniors are better than they would as redshirt sophomores, and true seniors are better than they would be as redshirt juniors.
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Citations needed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Protip for the dumbasses in this thread: true sophomores are better than they would be as redshirt freshmen, true juniors are better than they would as redshirt sophomores, and true seniors are better than they would be as redshirt juniors.
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Shaq Thompson, Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikaha, and I shared a good laugh together after reading your post.TTJ said:
Citations needed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Protip for the dumbasses in this thread: true sophomores are better than they would be as redshirt freshmen, true juniors are better than they would as redshirt sophomores, and true seniors are better than they would be as redshirt juniors.
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Belly laughs or just good laughs?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Shaq Thompson, Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikaha, and I shared a good laugh together after reading your post.TTJ said:
Citations needed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Protip for the dumbasses in this thread: true sophomores are better than they would be as redshirt freshmen, true juniors are better than they would as redshirt sophomores, and true seniors are better than they would be as redshirt juniors.
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This thread is some A-level sandy-vaging. Well done all.
