Roof Think Browning Should Start
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On the other hand, if Marques redshirts, maybe UW doesn't win the Rose Bowl in 2000.TTJ said:
Drunk posting rules!TTJ said:Riddle me this, shit-for-brains: how good was Saint Marques in 2001?
Marques got *much* better every year he was on campus. People forget that, although he created a lot of (justified) excitement in '97, he wasn't actually very effective and didn't really win games. That came later.RoadDawg55 said:Disagree. Tui won a Rose Bowl and popped off in 2000. But if Shane Fortney would have stayed, Tui would have redshirted and been great in 2001!!1 It's stupid Jerry. Tui played because he had to, just like Browning might have to. They aren't the same scenario because the '97 team had Rose Bowl expectations, but it was a case of the best QB stepping in and playing when needed.
Had Marques redshirted, then been coming off a Rose Bowl MVP performance as a junior, he would have entered his senior year as a leading Heisman candidate. We can debate how good that '01 team could have been with Marques at the helm, but nobody can debate that both Marques and the Huskies would have been much better with him at QB in '01 than he and they were in '97. That's the valid comparison.
I freely concede Pickett was really good in 2001. (In retrospect, it was his best year by far.) But he wasn't as good as Marques would have been. UW with Marques doesn't lose at Corvallis in '01. And they sure as fuck don't lose that Holiday Bowl. Even the Miami game probably would have been a somewhat dignified (albeit losing) effort.Doogles said:I'll take this a little further. Cody Pickett stepped in and was one of Washington's most prolific passers in 2001. It's about recruiting great players and having them be ready. People forget the Tui got hurt in the Rose Bowl and it was Pickett who stepped in and helped keep that game in hand. You're either good or you're not.
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I guess we all know what we don't know and that is who will emerge as the starter at the end of fall practices.
I'm also eager to see if Dex Charles and Coleman Shelton will be healthy enough to run with the 1's. If they are not, what will the OL look like? Maybe this?
LT: RS-JR Eldrenkamp
LG: RS-Soph Dane Crane(?)
C: RS-SR Tufunga
RG: RS-JR Brostek
RT: RS-Frosh Kaleb McGary OR RS-Frosh Matt James (?) -
Not sure if Browning will start the first game but I think he will end up being the guy for the season.HFNY said:But do you mean:
He's going to be the guy to start at BSU?
Come in after halftime or at some point during the BSU game?
Start against Sacramento State?
Or start at some point in 2015?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Browning is going to be the guy. He wasn't that far behind the others and with a lot more reps and a few live games he'll be at worst where the others are.
Lindquist just doesn't have it. He's had three full years. He was terrible against a bad Hawaii team, missing guys that were wide open. Also, he was far enough behind Miles last year that he didn't come in for relief in any games despite Miles' shitty play.
The biggest reason Browning will play this season is it gives UW the most upside next season without sacrificing much this year. He will be a lot better as a true soph than rs freshman.
Goff played as a true freshman and his QBR the next year went from 53 to 75. Even Sefo at Colorado went from 54 to 60. Miles QBR was only 49 last year. -
For the first play of the offense, Petersen / Smith should have all 4 QBs on the field so everybody starts.
Wild Swede taking the snap, Magna Carta at fullback, and Browning and Tony Montana split out wide so that the Blue Broncos are totally confused.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Not sure if Browning will start the first game but I think he will end up being the guy for the season.HFNY said:But do you mean:
He's going to be the guy to start at BSU?
Come in after halftime or at some point during the BSU game?
Start against Sacramento State?
Or start at some point in 2015?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Browning is going to be the guy. He wasn't that far behind the others and with a lot more reps and a few live games he'll be at worst where the others are.
Lindquist just doesn't have it. He's had three full years. He was terrible against a bad Hawaii team, missing guys that were wide open. Also, he was far enough behind Miles last year that he didn't come in for relief in any games despite Miles' shitty play.
The biggest reason Browning will play this season is it gives UW the most upside next season without sacrificing much this year. He will be a lot better as a true soph than rs freshman.
Goff played as a true freshman and his QBR the next year went from 53 to 75. Even Sefo at Colorado went from 54 to 60. Miles QBR was only 49 last year. -
Sounds like Sark 101 on how to burn a redshirt. Put Roberts and Trey Adams on FG protect and then bench 'em the rest of the season.HFNY said:For the first play of the offense, Petersen / Smith should have all 4 QBs on the field so everybody starts.
Wild Swede taking the snap, Magna Carta at fullback, and Browning and Tony Montana split out wide so that the Blue Broncos are totally confused.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Not sure if Browning will start the first game but I think he will end up being the guy for the season.HFNY said:But do you mean:
He's going to be the guy to start at BSU?
Come in after halftime or at some point during the BSU game?
Start against Sacramento State?
Or start at some point in 2015?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Browning is going to be the guy. He wasn't that far behind the others and with a lot more reps and a few live games he'll be at worst where the others are.
Lindquist just doesn't have it. He's had three full years. He was terrible against a bad Hawaii team, missing guys that were wide open. Also, he was far enough behind Miles last year that he didn't come in for relief in any games despite Miles' shitty play.
The biggest reason Browning will play this season is it gives UW the most upside next season without sacrificing much this year. He will be a lot better as a true soph than rs freshman.
Goff played as a true freshman and his QBR the next year went from 53 to 75. Even Sefo at Colorado went from 54 to 60. Miles QBR was only 49 last year. -
Sounds like Sark 101 on how to burn a redshirt. Put Roberts and Trey Adams on FG protect and then bench 'em the rest of the season.
AKA the Darrell Daniels development program. From GoHuskies:
2013: "Played in every game except for the Apple Cup and the bowl game, on special teams ... one tackle vs. Idaho State ... two tackles in the win over Arizona ... moved from wide receiver to tight end midway through the year."
So in summary burn the redshirt on a 4-star All-American so he can total 3 special teams tackles. Oh and just for fun lets have him change positions. No big deal.
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Judges would also have accepted "the Cody Bruns development program."purpledoogfan said:AKA the Darrell Daniels development program
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Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh. -
The point I think is that If Petersen can't have the QB depth behind Browning ready for 2019 then we're fucked regardless if he redshirts. No shit he'll be better as a RS Senior, but if he is worth 2-3 wins this year, you gotta play him.Dennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh. -
2-3 wins?? You guys ARE fucking Doogs.Doogles said:
The point I think is that If Petersen can't have the QB depth behind Browning ready for 2019 then we're fucked regardless if he redshirts. No shit he'll be better as a RS Senior, but if he is worth 2-3 wins this year, you gotta play him.Dennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh.
If there is one player worth 2-3 wins you have a coach who is a fucking idiot. -
Saying a guy at the QB position is worth 2-3 wins relative to their backup is not the same thing as saying John Ross is worth 2-3 wins.
I'm sure Oregon would agree Dennis Dixon's knee was worth 2-3 wins. -
How many true frosh qbs have ever been worth 3 wins? Brownings not going to be the third to fourth all time.Doogles said:Saying a guy at the QB position is worth 2-3 wins relative to their backup is not the same thing as saying John Ross is worth 2-3 wins.
I'm sure Oregon would agree Dennis Dixon's knee was worth 2-3 wins. -
When your backup is Jeff Lindquist, Tony Montana, and another Freshman the chance of there being a steep decline from #1 to #2 increases.dnc said:
How many true frosh qbs have ever been worth 3 wins? Brownings not going to be the third to fourth all time.Doogles said:Saying a guy at the QB position is worth 2-3 wins relative to their backup is not the same thing as saying John Ross is worth 2-3 wins.
I'm sure Oregon would agree Dennis Dixon's knee was worth 2-3 wins.
Locker was probably worth 3 wins if UW takes off his redshirt when Stanback goes down.
I still hope Jeff shocks the world and runs with the position (literally), but if he truly is as bad as people say he was in that 2nd half, it's not out of the realm to believe Browning could have that type of impact. -
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh. -
The things people will admit on anonymous messages boredsbrchco12 said:
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh. -
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The things people will admit on anonymous messages boredsbrchco12 said:
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh.
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I mean, for around here, that's pretty brave.brchco12 said:
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh.
That said, I've lost all respect for you. -
Undersized white guys never had respectDennis_DeYoung said:
I mean, for around here, that's pretty brave.brchco12 said:
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh.
That said, I've lost all respect for you.
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Everyone on here is a message bored version of Aaron Craft.brchco12 said:
Undersized white guys never had respectDennis_DeYoung said:
I mean, for around here, that's pretty brave.brchco12 said:
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh.
That said, I've lost all respect for you. -
Josh Rosen.dnc said:
How many true frosh qbs have ever been worth 3 wins? Brownings not going to be the third to fourth all time.Doogles said:Saying a guy at the QB position is worth 2-3 wins relative to their backup is not the same thing as saying John Ross is worth 2-3 wins.
I'm sure Oregon would agree Dennis Dixon's knee was worth 2-3 wins.
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Watch and learn, brother... watch and learn.brchco12 said:
Teach me how to be cool!Dennis_DeYoung said:To Bronco Bob 12, or @brchco12, whatever... one of Ice-T's best:
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I think you might have a great idea here for a terrific thread: Name your most embarrassing doog moment of your Husky fandom (Or Coog, Quook, and Broon moment for our nerds from other schools)brchco12 said:
I'm one of those taylor barton doogs that was not happy to see pickett win the job. #trueconfessionsDennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh. -
Much better than he would have been with only 3 years of seeing the field under his belt.TTJ said:
Riddle me this, shit-for-brains: how good was Saint Marques in 2001?RavennaDawg said:Whomever gives us the best chance to win should play. Why is this so difficult?
If Browning plays in 2015, he will be worlds better as a true soph in 2016 than he will as a rs-frosh. And he will be better in 2017, and 2018.
No one has ever said "That guy would be a better player if only he had spent last year on the bench in stead of seeing the field."
If Lindquist gives us the best chance to win, he should play.
Why is this so hard for people?
Michael Vick was great as a rs-frosh, yet somehow that means he would not have been even better as a true soph? Explain that.
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No kidding?Dennis_DeYoung said:Cody Pickett played as a true freshman and everyone thought he sucked and we were fucked. HTH.
Turns out he was a LOT better as a RS-Soph than a frosh.
How is this relevant to what we are talking about?
As Bill Swartz famously said during the Nebraska game in 1997, "Those aren't the Lake Washington Kangaroos Marques is looking at." For anyone to pretend that Tui's development was not accelerated by gametime in 1997 is absurd. Do people think nothing he learned after seeing the field for 3 years was integral to his outstanding season in 2000?
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So 2019 is going to be special?TTJ said:
Thank you. It amazes me how few people understand this concept.whatshouldicareabout said:I'd rather have Browning play in 2019 than Browning play in 2015
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Pretty tough to compare the Tui situation and the pending Browning situation since Tui had more talented and complete teams around him.
But Browning was around for 15 practices in the spring and is a more advanced passer at his current stage while IIRC, Tui didn't graduate early and was more of an option guy coming out of high school.
And IIRC, Tui's first game was when Huard got hurt and we were down against Nebraska but Tui got us back in the game, especially with some deep balls to Jerome Pathon. I was there that day and was bummed we lost but remember being excited about what the future would hold for MT.
One interesting thing to note is that in his first high school varsity game (as a soph), Browning threw for 689 yards and 10 touchdowns (setting a state record for touchdowns in a game). Combine that early success will the fact that he also graduated early to get here for spring ball tells me he has no intention of redshirting in 2015. But will he show a lot more progress in the fall and force the coaches to start him instead of one of the older guys? I'm guessing that Petersen doesn't think it's likely considering he wanted another body (Tony Montana) as a buffer to preserve Browning's redshirt after seeing the 3 QBs in the spring. -
There is a mountain of evidence that playing true frosh is fool's gold. (At any position, much less QB.) And zero evidence that redshirting somehow retards a player's development.
This is so astonishingly uncomplicated. -
[citation needed]TTJ said:There is a mountain of evidence that playing true frosh is fool's gold. (At any position, much less QB.) And zero evidence that redshirting somehow retards a player's development.
This is so astonishingly uncomplicated.
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