One thing for us to keep in mind
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I agree with this 100% ...
I can definitely see a season where we start slow, really start to question things, and gradually get better the second half of the season.
It wouldn't shock me if this is a team that goes 3-3 in the first 6 games but 4-2 down the stretch winning a game at either Stanford or ASU. -
It's shit like this that gives me hope.
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They've been learning bible verses harder than ever this summer.
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Last year provided reason for hope on this front.
Kikaha, Shelton, and Thompson were all good players in 2013, but their output greatly increased last year.
Several of the true frosh played like veteran players:
Buttah, Sidey Jones IX, Pettis
If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference. -
I'm excited to see what the updated weights of the OL and DL will be. That'll be my first measure of development until we start hearing the reports from fall camp.
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Disagree.bananasnblondes said:
If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.
Give me consistent OL and competent QB play and the RB will take care of itself.
A world class RB on the other hand, will not mask the play of a mediocre line and/or QB.
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Marshawn Lynch has been masking a mediocre Seahawks line for yearsMisterEm said:
Disagree.bananasnblondes said:
If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.
Give me consistent OL and competent QB play and the RB will take care of itself.
A world class RB on the other hand, will not mask the play of a mediocre line and/or QB. -
A big key and indicator for future success for me this year will be watching closely the true sophmores and RS-Freshmen. If we really start to see those guys flash and make plays it will be a huge indicator going forward.
Specifically, players like Jojo McIntosh, Darren Gardenhire, Jaylen Johnson (String), Greg Gaines, Virta Vea (if he is healthy), Lenius, Dotson, etc.; those types of players. If we see a bunch of those types of players playing well it will really give me hope heading into 2016, and overall for the program because I'll feel a lot better about recruiting evaluations.
And then if there is the "Andrew Hudson" effect on some older Sark recruits that would be another terrific sign of player development.
I know there was talk the other day about needing to be #3 in the conference behind USC, UCLA in recruiting to have a chance. I agree with that to an extent, but not fully. I think if we can never fall below #5 in the conference we can compete and win. If Petersen can bring in the players he has been bringing in, and also supplement that with the evaluations that he was famous for at Boise we will be just fine at that level. That is why I will be watching his players so closely this fall.
If his players start developing like crazy this year I will be doogin' pretty hard for 2016.
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If Petersen does on the field what we think and Hope™ he will, 3rd in conference recruiting might be just the baseline. The recruiting prowess we've already seen backed by results will be very formidable.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:A big key and indicator for future success for me this year will be watching closely the true sophmores and RS-Freshmen. If we really start to see those guys flash and make plays it will be a huge indicator going forward.
Specifically, players like Jojo McIntosh, Darren Gardenhire, Jaylen Johnson (String), Greg Gaines, Virta Vea (if he is healthy), Lenius, Dotson, etc.; those types of players. If we see a bunch of those types of players playing well it will really give me hope heading into 2016, and overall for the program because I'll feel a lot better about recruiting evaluations.
And then if there is the "Andrew Hudson" effect on some older Sark recruits that would be another terrific sign of player development.
I know there was talk the other day about needing to be #3 in the conference behind USC, UCLA in recruiting to have a chance. I agree with that to an extent, but not fully. I think if we can never fall below #5 in the conference we can compete and win. If Petersen can bring in the players he has been bringing in, and also supplement that with the evaluations that he was famous for at Boise we will be just fine at that level. That is why I will be watching his players so closely this fall.
If his players start developing like crazy this year I will be doogin' pretty hard for 2016. -
I like all of the optimism in this thread. And then I remembered who our quarterback is going to be. If we have a stellar running game then maybe we could get to 5-4 in conference. That would be a good coaching job in my opinion given the situation this year on the roster.
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Wilson does at least as much to mask that line as Lynch does. The threat of the read option makes up for one shitty lineman all on it's own.DerekJohnson said:
Marshawn Lynch and Russell Wilson have been masking a mediocre Seahawks line for yearsMisterEm said:
Disagree.bananasnblondes said:
If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.
Give me consistent OL and competent QB play and the RB will take care of itself.
A world class RB on the other hand, will not mask the play of a mediocre line and/or QB. -
KJ's gotcha back.AtomicDawg said:I like all of the optimism in this thread. And then I remembered who our quarterback is going to be. If we have a stellar running game then maybe we could get to 5-4 in conference. That would be a good coaching job in my opinion given the situation this year on the roster.
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I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised by our QB play this year, considering how our coach is a former QB. If not, it's FMFYFE until next year when Browning likely starts.
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The guys you mentioned got better. And Petersen deserves credit. At the same time, sometimes guys just get better as they get older. Kevin Smith was way better as a senior than in his previous years. Bishop Sankey was good as a sophomore. He was great as a junior. Ducre was way better as a senior.bananasnblondes said:Last year provided reason for hope on this front.
Kikaha, Shelton, and Thompson were all good players in 2013, but their output greatly increased last year.
Several of the true frosh played like veteran players:
Buttah, Sidey Jones IX, Pettis
If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.
The stars on defense and Andrew Hudseon got better, but on the whole it was a mixed bag. The OL wasn't any better and was possibly worse. Timu, Feeney, and Littleton didn't really look any better. The rest of the offense hadn't played much, but we didn't see any big improvements out of any of those guys either.
Petersen's Boise State teams were more indicative of a coach that is a strong developer of talent than last year at UW. -
I think you're right Derek, and I'm cautiously optimistic that the team will look a lot better than the "4 win team" the prognosticators are predicting, but so much disappointment with this program says LIPO.DerekJohnson said:By and large we're so used to players not developing much during the off season around here. That's why I hold that under Petersen we might be pleasantly surprised in several areas this fall. Not enough to win 11 games, but enough to have a decent season, like the 1999 UW Holiday Bowl team.
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This 4 wins stuff is ridiculous. We are going to suck, but should we really suck more than we have in year's past? I can understand maybe a 6 win o/u, but 4? Fuck me runnin Cocker!
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It was year 1. Developing new habits, new routines, new terminology, etc. takes time. Saban lost to a 1-aa school at Bama year 1.
The only thing that has me worried about Pete year 1 were some of the in-game decisions that cost the team and his general fidgety (nerves?) demeanor on the sideline.
Player development and recruiting have been where they need to be. Even Roids don't work over night.
The culture is changing, i know the cliche, but Sark's lazy stench is leaving the program. -
The OL is young, I know, but ready to rumble.
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Threads like this are great. They give you hope. But the first time Magna Carta or the Vanilla Hammer are throwing off their back foot to the assholes in the wrong uniforms I will be drinking myself into oblivion and cursing everything about this shit ass program. Is Crazy Larry dead yet?
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do they have the attitude and are they ready to rumble?whatshouldicareabout said:I'm excited to see what the updated weights of the OL and DL will be. That'll be my first measure of development until we start hearing the reports from fall camp.
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The areas of concern for me this year are the following:
The OL.
If we had a good OL coming back, I would think we were in pretty good shape.
If players develop like they did last year, we will have 7-8 All Pac-12 players (including HM). There just won't be many on the OL, which is the most important position.
I expect one of our RBs to get HM, one of our WRs, one of our TEs, two guys on DL, a LB and a couple DBs. -
I get the OL commentary, but not really when you factor in the difference between Sankey and name your favorite 2014 RB as well as the QB issues.
If you eliminate runs from QBs and any fake punt attempts from the yardage, you get the following:
2013: 501 runs for 2,758 yards = 5.5 yards per carry
2014: 457 runs for 2,245 yards = 4.9 yards per carry
Yes, I get that a half yard per carry is relatively significant. But at the same time, if you tell me that on average we get 5 yards per running play with average at best line play and a QB that lacks the arm strength to make a defense worry about the down field throw, then I'm not exactly unhappy with the running game.
I would be very surprised if at the end of the year if we run the same analytics that the 2015 number will be south of 4.9 yards per carry. -
downvoted since I already used the OL being ready to rumble clichePostGameOrangeSlices said:whatshouldicareabout said:
I'm excited to see what the updated weights of the OL and DL will be. That'll be my first measure of development until we start hearing the reports from fall camp.
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Sankey made a big difference, but you also can't tell me the OL made any strides from 2013. They were the same, possibly even slightly worse. I don't know what there was to disagree with. It was a pretty factual (as much as player development can be) post.Tequilla said:I get the OL commentary, but not really when you factor in the difference between Sankey and name your favorite 2014 RB as well as the QB issues.
If you eliminate runs from QBs and any fake punt attempts from the yardage, you get the following:
2013: 501 runs for 2,758 yards = 5.5 yards per carry
2014: 457 runs for 2,245 yards = 4.9 yards per carry
Yes, I get that a half yard per carry is relatively significant. But at the same time, if you tell me that on average we get 5 yards per running play with average at best line play and a QB that lacks the arm strength to make a defense worry about the down field throw, then I'm not exactly unhappy with the running game.
I would be very surprised if at the end of the year if we run the same analytics that the 2015 number will be south of 4.9 yards per carry.
It was a mixed bag. You're one the the posters that gets in a tiffy when anything but compliments are bestowed on Petersen. He's a proven talent developer and should be much better than Sark in that area. However, there were plenty of examples on last year's team where guys stayed the same or got worse, which I mentioned. Pretending otherwise is some major dooging. -
Voted up for using my Vanilla Hammer moniker for Lindy.Swaye said:Threads like this are great. They give you hope. But the first time Magna Carta or the Vanilla Hammer are throwing off their back foot to the assholes in the wrong uniforms I will be drinking myself into oblivion and cursing everything about this shit ass program. Is Crazy Larry dead yet?
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Most guys, especially in technically skilled positions like the OL, take a step back before they step forward. The OL was worse, they also unexpectedly lost their leader Riva before the season started. Compound that with relearning how to move your body in the trenches and it's easy to see why the OL struggled.RoadDawg55 said:
Sankey made a big difference, but you also can't tell me the OL made any strides from 2013. They were the same, possibly even slightly worse. I don't know what there was to disagree with. It was a pretty factual (as much as player development can be) post.Tequilla said:I get the OL commentary, but not really when you factor in the difference between Sankey and name your favorite 2014 RB as well as the QB issues.
If you eliminate runs from QBs and any fake punt attempts from the yardage, you get the following:
2013: 501 runs for 2,758 yards = 5.5 yards per carry
2014: 457 runs for 2,245 yards = 4.9 yards per carry
Yes, I get that a half yard per carry is relatively significant. But at the same time, if you tell me that on average we get 5 yards per running play with average at best line play and a QB that lacks the arm strength to make a defense worry about the down field throw, then I'm not exactly unhappy with the running game.
I would be very surprised if at the end of the year if we run the same analytics that the 2015 number will be south of 4.9 yards per carry.
It was a mixed bag. You're one the the posters that gets in a tiffy when anything but compliments are bestowed on Petersen. He's a proven talent developer and should be much better than Sark in that area. However, there were plenty of examples on last year's team where guys stayed the same or got worse, which I mentioned. Pretending otherwise is some major dooging.
No doubt 4 years of Cozz screaming into your face caused some deaf ears for the upperclassmen "anchoring" the line. If the line this season looks out of sync scheme wise by Pac-12 play, i'll join in your concern over its development. -
Who reads your posts?ApostleofGrief said:
downvoted since I already used the OL being ready to rumble cliche
PostGameOrangeSlices said:whatshouldicareabout said:I'm excited to see what the updated weights of the OL and DL will be. That'll be my first measure of development until we start hearing the reports from fall camp
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Highly doubt a Husky gets at HM at RB this year without some miraculous improvement. Deep group this year.Dennis_DeYoung said:The areas of concern for me this year are the following:
The OL.
If we had a good OL coming back, I would think we were in pretty good shape.
If players develop like they did last year, we will have 7-8 All Pac-12 players (including HM). There just won't be many on the OL, which is the most important position.
I expect one of our RBs to get HM, one of our WRs, one of our TEs, two guys on DL, a LB and a couple DBs.
Paul Perkins, Devontae Booker, Royce Freeman, Nick Wilson will for sure get conference honors if they stay healthy. All were nearly 1,500 yard backs in 2014. Lasco at Cal was a 1,000 yard rusher last year. And that's before SCs top back, a 2nd back at whoregon, McCaffrey at Stanford is a big talent. Same for Demario Richard or Ballage.
I don't see DWarsh jumping half that list to HM. -
Royce Freeman isn't going to get enough touches I don't think.
