fuck you 12's... and your fucking bobble head dolls
http://www.businessinsider.com/russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-contract-2015-5
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There is no chance Russell goes to baseball. No way, he isn't going to the minors to ride busses and play in shit holes.
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Why are you so obsessed about this contract? One way or the other, 12's will be cheering Russ for a long time.sarktastic said:lil Rusty wants the #1 contract in the NFL now... cause he's #teamfirst, #hometowndiscount, #shavedthehipsterbeard
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If it's destined that the Seahawks take a turn southward, I'm not sure which scenario I would enjoy more
1) Wilson leaves town for money A Rod style
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If you followed the NFL at all, you would know, this is sort of a big deal to the Seahawk franchise.RoadDawg55 said:
Why are you so obsessed about this contract? One way or the other, 12's will be cheering Russ for a long time.sarktastic said:lil Rusty wants the #1 contract in the NFL now... cause he's #teamfirst, #hometowndiscount, #shavedthehipsterbeard
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Lol if Russell wants to go ruin his career with a shitty team then he should.
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He's not. It's all unnecessary bullshit to get clicks and sell papers. He's going to get a new deal and if he doesn't he will be franchised.CuntWaffle said:Lol if Russell wants to go ruin his career with a shitty team then he should.
It's about as dumb as being worried that a guy that hit .220 in minor league baseball can sit out multiple seasons and be good enough to play in the majors. -
thisRoadDawg55 said:
He's not. It's all unnecessary bullshit to get clicks and sell papers. He's going to get a new deal and if he doesn't he will be franchised.CuntWaffle said:Lol if Russell wants to go ruin his career with a shitty team then he should.
It's about as dumb as being worried that a guy that hit .220 in minor league baseball can sit out multiple seasons and be good enough to play in the majors.
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Name the last big time QB under 30 years old to hit the free agent market in the NFL........ I'll wait. Fucking 12s freaking out for no reason.
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road dog seems to worry about a lot of shit he/she has no control over.
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Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive. -
Whoever accused you of being d2d might have been on to something.sarktastic said:road dog seems to worry about a lot of shit he/she has no control over.
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Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good. -
Leaf may be whooshing you, RD55..RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good. -
He's a fudgepacker fan and there are NFL fans who actually believe that the Seahawks could plug in 20 QB's and be just as good.MisterEm said:
Leaf may be whooshing you, RD55..RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good. -
baseless lying already?RoadDawg55 said:
Whoever accused you of being d2d might have been on to something.sarktastic said:road dog seems to worry about a lot of shit he/she has no control over.
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Paul Allen is broke.
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So, now, all of the sudden, 'cause the grate rode dog sayz so, this topic has legs.RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good.
Fuck off you inconsistent basement dwelling cheeto freak. -
BOOBS GAVE ME AN UP VOTE !!!
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You're ok when you aren't Dooging about the Ducks or the Democrats.d2d said:BOOBS GAVE ME AN UP VOTE !!!
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You're ok when you aren't Dooging about the Ducks or the Democrats.d2d said:BOOBS GAVE ME AN UP VOTE !!!
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My apartment doesn't have a basement. I can't remember the last time I had Cheetos either, although I do like the red hot ones.sarktastic said:
So, now, all of the sudden, 'cause the grate rode dog sayz so, this topic has legs.RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good.
Fuck off you inconsistent basement dwelling cheeto freak. -
so you're a Hot Pockets man?RoadDawg55 said:
My apartment doesn't have a basement. I can't remember the last time I had Cheetos either, although I do like the red hot ones.sarktastic said:
So, now, all of the sudden, 'cause the grate rode dog sayz so, this topic has legs.RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good.
Fuck off you inconsistent basement dwelling cheeto freak. -
Probably the same fans who think Seattle is worse with Jimmy Graham because he doesn't block or something like that.RoadDawg55 said:
He's a fudgepacker fan and there are NFL fans who actually believe that the Seahawks could plug in 20 QB's and be just as good.MisterEm said:
Leaf may be whooshing you, RD55..RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good. -
what I do know is that Billy Graham sold out the Kingdome every. time. he. tried.
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Wilson is not the best running QB of all time, unless you are 30 years old and don't recognize the NFL was played before the year 2000. Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham and Steve Young say hello. 3 years of game management does not make any player the best of anything in the NFL.RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good.
Seattle has spent a ton of their money on the defensive side of the ball. I love the approach. And the results have been outstanding. Since Wilson has been at the helm, Seattle has had the luxury of defense rated 4th, 1st and 1st in his first 3 years. Don't fuck it up has been the mantra.
But to have a boner over a QB who, in his first 3 years in the league has led his team to the 17th, 18th and 9th best offenses in the NFL, as worthy of a franchise type QB, doesn't square with me. Perhaps he has the potential, but past performance doesn't justify it.
The best argument I can think of to throw money at Wilson is who would replace him. He has shown he is a very good game manager, and any replacement would be, at a minimum, uncertain. But paying him 20% of the salary cap would be, IMO, FS. -
Any replacement would be at a maximum uncertain. At a minimum, you are looking at a disaster that wastes Sherman/Thomas/Chancellor's prime years. The Jets' and Bills' defenses are probably on par with Seattle's this coming season, but both will finish 8-8 or worse because they have either average or shit QB's.HuskyInAZ said:
Wilson is not the best running QB of all time, unless you are 30 years old and don't recognize the NFL was played before the year 2000. Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham and Steve Young say hello. 3 years of game management does not make any player the best of anything in the NFL.RoadDawg55 said:
Having money for the rest of the team is a concern, but in the NFL it starts and ends with the QB, especially in today's game. The key to continued success will be to draft well and have cheap replacements that can actually play.salemcoog said:Let's see. A QB who has the best D in the league with the most effective RB wants top shelf QB money.
Makes sense to me.
Hawks should lock him up and give him anything he wants. I'm sure when they have to get rid of half of the Defense and Wilson has to throw 40 times per game, he'll be even more productive.
I also disagree with your assessment of Russell Wilson. I think he could air it out 40 times and he would put up big numbers, but that's not what the Seahawks do. And while he may be somewhat flawed as a pocket passer (I don't think he actually is, but can kind of understand the argument), he's the best running QB of all time. He has also never played with a very good OL and has a receiving core that has probably been in the bottom third of the league. He's really fucking good.
Seattle has spent a ton of their money on the defensive side of the ball. I love the approach. And the results have been outstanding. Since Wilson has been at the helm, Seattle has had the luxury of defense rated 4th, 1st and 1st in his first 3 years. Don't fuck it up has been the mantra.
But to have a boner over a QB who, in his first 3 years in the league has led his team to the 17th, 18th and 9th best offenses in the NFL, as worthy of a franchise type QB, doesn't square with me. Perhaps he has the potential, but past performance doesn't justify it.
The best argument I can think of to throw money at Wilson is who would replace him. He has shown he is a very good game manager, and any replacement would be, at a minimum, uncertain. But paying him 20% of the salary cap would be, IMO, FS.
Whether or not you think Wilson is overrated, this is how the NFL works. If you find a good QB you have to keep him because it's way too hard to replace him. In order to keep him you have to shell out a ton of money because if you don't, someone else will. -
@SteveInShelton is spot on. You have to pay him because you're not going to replace him. Drew Brees is about the only good QB that was allowed to hit free agency that I can remember. You don't let a good QB go.
@HuskyinAZ, calling Wilson the best QB running QB of all time might have been a little bit of a stretch at this point, but he ranks right up there. He's certainly the best running QB in the NFL right now. Kaepernick and Newton are probably the next best and they aren't that close.
Save the bullshit about where the Seahawks offense ranks in total yards. Who gives a shit? How is a team that runs the ball the most in the league supposed to rank higher than teams that air it out 50 times a game?
What about Russell Wilson isn't a franchise QB? He's efficiency ranks high. His QBR is good. His TD:INT is good. His YPA is good. He's a great runner. His intangibles are great. He's won big playoff games. He's not the best QB in the league, but you might be retarded if you don't think he's a franchise QB. And I know you'll deny it, but all of this bullshit still stems from the fact he's 5'10" and was drafted in the 3rd round. -
I could give a shit about how tall a QB is or when they were drafted. At issue is whether or not Wilson is a franchise QB. He does a great job of not fucking up. But then he's got the best defense in the NFL to back him and the offense up.
My point was declaring him as the best running QB "of all time" was beyond FS. "A bit of a stretch" is quite the understatement. And paying him franchise QB money is highly questionable. A franchise QB looks more like Brady, Rodgers and Luck. At this point, IMO, that's where the list ends. It's not their size, but their production. Wilson may be there one day, and I hope it happens, but after his first 3 years, declaring him franchise material is premature. -
Good chit, roadielipsRoadDawg55 said:@SteveInShelton is spot on. You have to pay him because you're not going to replace him. Drew Brees is about the only good QB that was allowed to hit free agency that I can remember. You don't let a good QB go.
@HuskyinAZ, calling Wilson the best QB running QB of all time might have been a little bit of a stretch at this point, but he ranks right up there. He's certainly the best running QB in the NFL right now. Kaepernick and Newton are probably the next best and they aren't that close.
Save the bullshit about where the Seahawks offense ranks in total yards. Who gives a shit? How is a team that runs the ball the most in the league supposed to rank higher than teams that air it out 50 times a game?
What about Russell Wilson isn't a franchise QB? He's efficiency ranks high. His QBR is good. His TD:INT is good. His YPA is good. He's a great runner. His intangibles are great. He's won big playoff games. He's not the best QB in the league, but you might be retarded if you don't think he's a franchise QB. And I know you'll deny it, but all of this bullshit still stems from the fact he's 5'10" and was drafted in the 3rd round. -
I'll give you Cunningham, but Russell ran for more yards last year than Young ever did. Their averages are both similar. I'll give you Vick too. I don't think it's out of the question that one day Russell Wilson will break Vick's record of 6,010 yards one day. Tarkenton was before my time. If RW's not the best running QB of all time, whatever. He's the best right now and it's not disputable.HuskyInAZ said:I could give a shit about how tall a QB is or when they were drafted. At issue is whether or not Wilson is a franchise QB. He does a great job of not fucking up. But then he's got the best defense in the NFL to back him and the offense up.
My point was declaring him as the best running QB "of all time" was beyond FS. "A bit of a stretch" is quite the understatement. And paying him franchise QB money is highly questionable. A franchise QB looks more like Brady, Rodgers and Luck. At this point, IMO, that's where the list ends. It's not their size, but their production. Wilson may be there one day, and I hope it happens, but after his first 3 years, declaring him franchise material is premature.
To the bold part, I agree that Brady and Rodgers are better. Luck is damn good, but how is he clearly better? Because he throws for more yards and TD's? His completion percentage is lower, his TD:INT is significantly worse, his rating is lower, and so is his QBR. And we haven't even gotten to running where RW is clearly superior. But Luck doesn't have Marshawn Lynch? Luck has better WR's. Both OL's suck. Russell Wilson may have Lynch and a great defense, but his WR's and OL are not good.
Luck is the prototypical QB and I agree that he will likely be a great one. He's a franchise QB. If you're being objective though, it's hard to say with certainty that he is better than RW. Luck is a prime example of if you switched their sizes and draft positions, perceptions would likely be different. They are peers imo. I'm interested why Luck is so much better?
We disagree on franchise QB's. There are more than 3. Drew Brees is a franchise QB. Ben Roethlisberger is another. There are 4 or 5 others that are damn good (Ryan, Rivers, Peyton Manning, Flacco) and imo are franchise QB's. A few of these guys will make the Hall of Fame one day.
