As the Dustin Ackley era continues to sputter in Seattle, a change of scenery may be in order
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Dan Wilson suddenly became a much better hitter in 1995.Tequilla said:There's no real problem having Sucre on the roster when you know he's going to catch no more than 30 games ...
The problem is rushing Zunino to the bigs before his bat was fully developed and being stuck at playing him 120-130 games per year while he struggles against quality major league pitching.
That being said, Dan Wilson was even more hopeless as a hitter early in his career before developing into an above average hitter at the position for more than a few years. So there's still hope for Zunino ... the power is definitely not questioned.
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If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does. -
He should get better but it will be slower than if he spent all of 2013 at AAA and maybe even the start of 2014.
I'm still not worried about him, he's slowly getting better at hitting breaking pitches and not swinging at garbage pitches. He has the bat speed and power to mash fastballs and his defense is still very good, along with his framing of pitches (a friend of mine who played college baseball since his framing of pitches could save up to 20 runs this year).
Anyway, I'm concerned about him going through a bad slump since he was rushed or even getting dinged. Sucre's D is good but his bat is weak even at the AAA level so it would sink any momentum we might be building if he goes from little used back-up to starter for even a few weeks.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does. -
His strikeout issue was a massive red flag at every level coming up. At least by Double A they should have told him you get promoted to the next level when you keep your strikeouts below 20%. Since they didn't, he never learned to protect the plate offensively. He's a defensive wizard but he's so far below what he could have been offensively it's sad.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does.
But why is Jackie Z a bad GM? -
At least he actually made it to the majors, Hultzen isn't even close and he was supposed to be the "safest" pick of that entire draft.dnc said:
His strikeout issue was a massive red flag at every level coming up. At least by Double A they should have told him you get promoted to the next level when you keep your strikeouts below 20%. Since they didn't, he never learned to protect the plate offensively. He's a defensive wizard but he's so far below what he could have been offensively it's sad.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does.
But why is Jackie Z a bad GM? -
Don't even get me started. I BRB JO'd over Rendon more times than Swaye at a nudist biker chick convention. I couldn't believe he fell to us, and couldn't believe we passed on him. For Hultzen of all fucking people.SteveInShelton said:
At least he actually made it to the majors, Hultzen isn't even close and he was supposed to be the "safest" pick of that entire draft.dnc said:
His strikeout issue was a massive red flag at every level coming up. At least by Double A they should have told him you get promoted to the next level when you keep your strikeouts below 20%. Since they didn't, he never learned to protect the plate offensively. He's a defensive wizard but he's so far below what he could have been offensively it's sad.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does.
But why is Jackie Z a bad GM?
The M's drafted in the top 3 in the two most star studded top 10s in the past dozen years and got Jeff Clement and Danny Hultzen. Add in passing on Lincecum for Brandon Morrow and you don't even need to make it to the Bedard trade to explain why the Mariners have sucked for so long.
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At least Hultzen's non-appearance in the Bigs is due to injury (which no one saw coming).
OTOH, Ackley has nearly 2,000 ABs at the MLB level and, barring a miracle, has proven himself to be a utility guy at best.SteveInShelton said:
At least he actually made it to the majors, Hultzen isn't even close and he was supposed to be the "safest" pick of that entire draft.dnc said:
His strikeout issue was a massive red flag at every level coming up. At least by Double A they should have told him you get promoted to the next level when you keep your strikeouts below 20%. Since they didn't, he never learned to protect the plate offensively. He's a defensive wizard but he's so far below what he could have been offensively it's sad.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does.
But why is Jackie Z a bad GM? -
OTOH, Ackley was universally regarded as the second best pick in that draft (after Strasburg). He's worthless, no doubt, but he wasn't a bad pick necessarily, just bad luck that he busted so hard. Hultzen was clearly a terrible choice at the time he was selected.HFNY said:At least Hultzen's non-appearance in the Bigs is due to injury (which no one saw coming).
OTOH, Ackley has nearly 2,000 ABs at the MLB level and, barring a miracle, has proven himself to be a utility guy at best.SteveInShelton said:
At least he actually made it to the majors, Hultzen isn't even close and he was supposed to be the "safest" pick of that entire draft.dnc said:
His strikeout issue was a massive red flag at every level coming up. At least by Double A they should have told him you get promoted to the next level when you keep your strikeouts below 20%. Since they didn't, he never learned to protect the plate offensively. He's a defensive wizard but he's so far below what he could have been offensively it's sad.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does.
But why is Jackie Z a bad GM?
Yeah, I know.
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I'm not saying I disagree but who did any writer or analyst actually say he was "clearly a terrible choice" at the time he was selected?dnc said:
OTOH, Ackley was universally regarded as the second best pick in that draft (after Strasburg). He's worthless, no doubt, but he wasn't a bad pick necessarily, just bad luck that he busted so hard. Hultzen was clearly a terrible choice at the time he was selected.HFNY said:At least Hultzen's non-appearance in the Bigs is due to injury (which no one saw coming).
OTOH, Ackley has nearly 2,000 ABs at the MLB level and, barring a miracle, has proven himself to be a utility guy at best.SteveInShelton said:
At least he actually made it to the majors, Hultzen isn't even close and he was supposed to be the "safest" pick of that entire draft.dnc said:
His strikeout issue was a massive red flag at every level coming up. At least by Double A they should have told him you get promoted to the next level when you keep your strikeouts below 20%. Since they didn't, he never learned to protect the plate offensively. He's a defensive wizard but he's so far below what he could have been offensively it's sad.Tequilla said:If you go by WAR as your source, Zunino is a replacement level player at this point.
I see a lot of good things to him ... but his bad elements are SO BAD that it takes away a lot of the good things that he does.
But why is Jackie Z a bad GM?
Yeah, I know.
