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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    The NBA needs March Madness to create player familiarity... or it dies.

    Golf doesn't need the NCAA.

    Hth.

    Kobe Bryant and LeBron James are only known because of their huge success in March Madness.

    Everybody says so.
    Flagged for forgetting Kevin Garnett
    Who?
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,807 Founders Club
    AAU has ruined the mindset of the players and the pimps coaches that teach them are a joke.

    I play in this night league in SF and before the first game some aau team is finishing practice. The coaches scream at the players complete Bull shit while the parents harass the kids to shoot every time. It's misguided desperation for a scholarship and money if I've ever seen it.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Doogles said:

    AAU has ruined the mindset of the players and the pimps coaches that teach them are a joke.

    I play in this night league in SF and before the first game some aau team is finishing practice. The coaches scream at the players complete Bull shit while the parents harass the kids to shoot every time. It's misguided desperation for a scholarship and money if I've ever seen it.

    Flagged for bolded part.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,175 Standard Supporter
    One and dones may not devastate the overall quality of all 300 plus teams, but they do lessen the quality of the Pukes, UNCs, KYs. Kansases, UCLAs, Indianas etc. Some talking head pointed out that they have to simplify/dumb down their offenses, which contributes to a lack of scoring.

    Not only that, but the average fan isn't going to identity with the guys who stay for a year or their teams. There's little star power.
  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited April 2015
    If the one and dones had to stay for three years (like football) it would improve the overall talent much deeper than just the top tier teams. Kentucky wouldn't sign seven kids a year to replace the seven that left; they couldn't. Good players might have to actually play for a coach that might actually give a shit.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    d2d said:

    If the one and dones had to stay for three years (like football) it would improve the overall talent much deeper than just the top tier teams. Kentucky wouldn't sign seven kids a year to replace the seven that left; they couldn't. Good players might have to actually play for a coach that might actually give a shit.

    I don't play in a night league in SF.

    There's no question that the one and done rule is bad for the quality of college basketball. I don't see why the NBA should care about that, though. The rule is very good for the NBA, and for the players as a whole. Kids games develop better in the NBA than they do in college. If you're good enough to go early you'd be a fool not to.

    The issue with kids not developing fundamentals is an AAU and high school issue, not a one and done one. A kid with great talent but poor fundamentals is going to develop them much quicker in the NBA where there are no limits to how much coaching they can get and how many hours they can have supervised practices, plus there are no other responsibilities to steal your time and focus like having to find a tutor to write your papers.

    I get why college hoops fans hate the one and done rule. Just be honest why you hate it. It's because you want to see great players play more college basketball. It's not because it somehow prevents them from developing their games. It doesn't do that at all.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855

    dnc said:

    d2d said:

    If the one and dones had to stay for three years (like football) it would improve the overall talent much deeper than just the top tier teams. Kentucky wouldn't sign seven kids a year to replace the seven that left; they couldn't. Good players might have to actually play for a coach that might actually give a shit.

    I don't play in a night league in SF.

    There's no question that the one and done rule is bad for the quality of college basketball. I don't see why the NBA should care about that, though. The rule is very good for the NBA, and for the players as a whole. Kids games develop better in the NBA than they do in college. If you're good enough to go early you'd be a fool not to.

    The issue with kids not developing fundamentals is an AAU and high school issue, not a one and done one. A kid with great talent but poor fundamentals is going to develop them much quicker in the NBA where there are no limits to how much coaching they can get and how many hours they can have supervised practices, plus there are no other responsibilities to steal your time and focus like having to find a tutor to write your papers.

    I get why college hoops fans hate the one and done rule. Just be honest why you hate it. It's because you want to see great players play more college basketball. It's not because it somehow prevents them from developing their games. It doesn't do that at all.
    One and dones are the absolute exception in college basketball. There are almost 400 schools playing D-1 basketball. A dozen early entries do nothing in the big scheme of things.

    Shit coaching in AAU ball has a much greater impact on the regression of college ball. You want better college ball, quit allowing fourth grade travel teams and letting 7th graders jack threes from their hip. Teach fundamentals and team ball instead of showing the fifth graders the triangle offense.
    If you require college kids to stay three years, for instance, you're adding 40 or 50 top athletes into the college basketball pool each season. The college game would undeniably be stronger in that instance. Even if you allowed kids to go straight out of HS or play three years of college ball (basically the beisbol model) you're going to add a strong group of players to the college game. The main effect would be no more Baylor and VCU Cinderella stories because the quality of play in the major conferences would jump significantly.

    But we agree that AAU is the greatest scourge on the game. Wiff a bullet.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    d2d said:

    If the one and dones had to stay for three years (like football) it would improve the overall talent much deeper than just the top tier teams. Kentucky wouldn't sign seven kids a year to replace the seven that left; they couldn't. Good players might have to actually play for a coach that might actually give a shit.

    I don't play in a night league in SF.

    There's no question that the one and done rule is bad for the quality of college basketball. I don't see why the NBA should care about that, though. The rule is very good for the NBA, and for the players as a whole. Kids games develop better in the NBA than they do in college. If you're good enough to go early you'd be a fool not to.

    The issue with kids not developing fundamentals is an AAU and high school issue, not a one and done one. A kid with great talent but poor fundamentals is going to develop them much quicker in the NBA where there are no limits to how much coaching they can get and how many hours they can have supervised practices, plus there are no other responsibilities to steal your time and focus like having to find a tutor to write your papers.

    I get why college hoops fans hate the one and done rule. Just be honest why you hate it. It's because you want to see great players play more college basketball. It's not because it somehow prevents them from developing their games. It doesn't do that at all.
    One and dones are the absolute exception in college basketball. There are almost 400 schools playing D-1 basketball. A dozen early entries do nothing in the big scheme of things.

    Shit coaching in AAU ball has a much greater impact on the regression of college ball. You want better college ball, quit allowing fourth grade travel teams and letting 7th graders jack threes from their hip. Teach fundamentals and team ball instead of showing the fifth graders the triangle offense.
    If you require college kids to stay three years, for instance, you're adding 40 or 50 top athletes into the college basketball pool each season. The college game would undeniably be stronger in that instance. Even if you allowed kids to go straight out of HS or play three years of college ball (basically the beisbol model) you're going to add a strong group of players to the college game. The main effect would be no more Baylor and VCU Cinderella stories because the quality of play in the major conferences would jump significantly.

    But we agree that AAU is the greatest scourge on the game. Wiff a bullet.
    WTF'd because Texas and Washington have kept underperforming coaches for a long time.
  • RavennaDawg
    RavennaDawg Member Posts: 846
    The myth is that high school/college ball in the past did a better job of preparing players for the NBA. When you force a player to play in the minor leagues for a longer period than his talent warrants, he will be better equipped to learn new skills when he leaves. He just emerges as a player with poor coaching who happens to be more mature. Players weren't prepared in the old days.

    I hate the one and done rule. Just let the best players play, like baseball, hockey, soccer, auto racing, tennis, golf and every other sport except NFL football.