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Military Morale Hits Alltime Low Under Obama.

d2d
d2d Member Posts: 3,109
edited April 2015 in Tug Tavern
But NOGAF in here other than Swaye and me...
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USA TODAY:
Army morale low despite 6-year, $287M optimism program

"More than half of some 770,000 soldiers are pessimistic about their future in the military and nearly as many are unhappy in their jobs, despite a six-year, $287 million campaign to make troops more optimistic and resilient, findings obtained by USA TODAY show.

Twelve months of data through early 2015 show that 403,564 soldiers, or 52%, scored badly in the area of optimism, agreeing with statements such as "I rarely count on good things happening to me." Forty-eight percent have little satisfaction in or commitment to their jobs."
usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/16/army-survey-morale/24897455/
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    I care.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Swaye said:

    Nobody wants to talk about the reasons people in the military are unhappy of course. It would be uncomfortable to hear that the all volunteer force disagrees strongly with many of the feel good politically motivated decisions of the last 40 years.

    Why do you leave Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and Nixon out of this?
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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Almost every decision GWB made for the military was wrong. The one thing he got right was hiring Robert Gates as SecDef. About the only military decision Obama got right was keeping Gates around. Panetta and Hagel have been terrible.

    Frankly, I view both sides at fault for the clusterfuck that is happening right now in the military. The sequester is what is killing morale. People have been busting their asses for 12 years, and now are getting pink slips because Congress and the President can't get their shit together and devise a reasonable military budget.

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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Obama has replaced the chain of command getting his own guys in there.

    If Obama wanted to keep soldiers in after 12 years and let them retire after 20+ years, he would do that. He chose to go with free agency rather than resigning veterans.

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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    sarktastic said:

    Obama has replaced the chain of command getting his own guys in there.

    If Obama wanted to keep soldiers in after 12 years and let them retire after 20+ years, he would do that. He chose to go with free agency rather than resigning veterans.

    Obama just needs 5 more years to get his own guys in there.
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    sarktastic said:

    Obama has replaced the chain of command getting his own guys in there.

    If Obama wanted to keep soldiers in after 12 years and let them retire after 20+ years, he would do that. He chose to go with free agency rather than resigning veterans.

    Obama just needs 5 more years to get his own guys in there.
    I can't wait for the first openly gay Chief of Staff...
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,238 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    Nobody wants to talk about the reasons people in the military are unhappy of course. It would be uncomfortable to hear that the all volunteer force disagrees strongly with many of the feel good politically motivated decisions of the last 40 years.

    Why do you leave Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and Nixon out of this?
    Because Obama is the CIC
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    sarktastic said:

    Obama has replaced the chain of command getting his own guys in there.

    If Obama wanted to keep soldiers in after 12 years and let them retire after 20+ years, he would do that. He chose to go with free agency rather than resigning veterans.

    The top ten reasons for bad morale are the same as they always have been, bad leadership. It doesn't matter if it's a company, a football team, or an infantry Regiment.

    Compare Don James to Tyrone Willingham. Compare Patton to the losers Obama hired. Think about your own work situation... working for Derek or Kim and Fatters.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Maybe the young soldiers just don't fully appreciate the comportment lessons from Obama's train of command?
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    edited April 2015
    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    Nobody wants to talk about the reasons people in the military are unhappy of course. It would be uncomfortable to hear that the all volunteer force disagrees strongly with many of the feel good politically motivated decisions of the last 40 years.

    Why do you leave Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and Nixon out of this?
    Jake Almighty, he's six+ years into his administration. Doog POTFD.

    RN won the Rose Bowel, Obama cratered military morale.

    WIW.
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited April 2015
    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    Nobody wants to talk about the reasons people in the military are unhappy of course. It would be uncomfortable to hear that the all volunteer force disagrees strongly with many of the feel good politically motivated decisions of the last 40 years.

    Why do you leave Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and Nixon out of this?
    Jake Almighty, he's six+ years into his administration. Doog POTFD.

    RN won the Rose Bowel, Obama cratered military morale.

    WIW.
    Perfect. You're on Honda Stupidity Patrol. Thanks for volunteering.

    BTW, do you think it has anything to do with the uniforms?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    So they had a higher morale when we started an unjust war in Iraq and during Vietnam? And I'm suppose to take their opinions seriously, why exactly?
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    allpurpleallgold said:

    So they had a higher morale when we started an unjust war in Iraq and during Vietnam? And I'm suppose to take their opinions seriously, why exactly?

    I don't give a damn what you do.
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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,317
    It's a terrible time to be an American

    Interest rates are down
    gas prices are down
    401K's are up
    Housing prices are up

    Horrible. I don't know I'm gonna make it through....guess I will just go back to the garage (am in middle of AR build) whole i wait for our new house in Orchards to get built
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    edited April 2015
    allpurpleallgold said:

    So they had a higher morale when we started an unjust war in Iraq and during Vietnam? And I'm suppose to take their opinions seriously, why exactly?

    None of the military guys I know had a problem with the war in Iraq when it started. Hell, Hillary didn't even have a problem with the war in Iraq when it started.

    Vietnam? No argument there.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,238 Founders Club
    HuskyJW said:

    It's a terrible time to be an American

    Interest rates are down
    gas prices are down
    401K's are up
    Housing prices are up

    Horrible. I don't know I'm gonna make it through....guess I will just go back to the garage (am in middle of AR build) whole i wait for our new house in Orchards to get built

    Sounds like America is a country of those who have and those who are going to have.

    APAG? True?
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  • SteveInShelton
    SteveInShelton Member Posts: 1,611
    Wtf is an optimism program?
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    SteveInShelton said:

    Wtf is an optimism program?

    ... Who got the contract... And who in Congress are they related to?
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    SteveInShelton said:

    Wtf is an optimism program?

    An optimistic program with a happy ending?
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