Jimmy Graham
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Unger: Door. Couch. Out.
Wow this is a crazy deal. Mort says it includes either Seattles 15 or 16 first rounder and multiple other picks.
Not really sure what to make of it. Great pickup, or Percy Harvin 2.0? -
Graham is decent, but a little too full of himself... Should fit in with the Seahawks.
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Superbowl or bust now. Graham is Julius Thomas but has a longer track record of production. Best receiver Seattle has had since Carroll has been here. Unger is broken now anyways, he's not even close to the same player he once was.
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Not too interested in looking up the cap implications right now ...
I know Unger had a decent sized one ... so form a $$$ standpoint it can't be THAT bad of a match in that regard.
Not really worried about the 1st because that's not only essentially like an early 2nd round pick ... but the Hawks have a history of being terrible with their 1st round picks. When you factor in what the cap will mean for them in that regard, another instance of it probably not being a big deal.
As long as the Hawks keep a strong amount of their 3rd to 5th round picks that they are used to having, then they should be fine in the draft. I think they know that they've probably got a 3-5 year window in them with this current group before they will have to tear everything apart and figure out how to rebuild around Wilson for the 2nd part of their career.
As for Graham, it will definitely help them in the red zone. I think he'll split out more than he will be a normal TE. But he's a massive matchup nightmare for teams (if healthy) and that's one area where the Hawks really tend to struggle in the passing game right now. If you look at the combo of Graham and Luke Willson, both have the ability to stretch teams down the seam when LBs and S sell out to stop Beast and Wilson in the read option, you get them stretched down the middle. EVERYTHING that the Hawks do is predicated off of Lynch and Wilson. -
This is a great addition. Legit weapon. Can run the seem, and true goal line threat
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Unger + 1st is roughly comparable in cap space to Graham + 4th ... if my very high level understanding of the cap is correct, I believe when you trade someone in Graham's position where you gave a sizable signing bonus, I believe it turns into an accelerated cap hit on New Orleans' books.
From a pure $$$ standpoint, this is a no brainer for the Hawks.
And as I saw someone say on Twitter, the cost for Graham was less than what it would have taken to re-sign Maxwell ... which is crazy IMO. -
The money here is fantastic. They are trying to restructure his deal to save even more, making the cap hit combined with Unger leaving something like $3.3 million. That little of money for a superstar receiving target. The Saints are saving only like $2 million in cap room from trading him. They went from franchise tagging him last year to trading him this year. What a dumpster fire.Tequilla said:Unger + 1st is roughly comparable in cap space to Graham + 4th ... if my very high level understanding of the cap is correct, I believe when you trade someone in Graham's position where you gave a sizable signing bonus, I believe it turns into an accelerated cap hit on New Orleans' books.
From a pure $$$ standpoint, this is a no brainer for the Hawks.
And as I saw someone say on Twitter, the cost for Graham was less than what it would have taken to re-sign Maxwell ... which is crazy IMO. -
As always, you want to be the team with the smart organization and management ... allows you to continuously prey on those that aren't quite as smart and forward looking.
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The Saints take on 9 Million in dead money with this trade too, OUCH...
Graham was paid 13mil last year, so deal is now 3 years at 27. The cap number likely won't be a big deal at all for his talent, plus they can restructure to save more as @SteveInShelton pointed out.
EDIT (Graham Contract Numbers for Hawks):
Graham will count 8mil this year, 9 in 2016, and 10 in 2017. The good news is that they can cut him at anytime with no cap ramifications. In total they lost about 6.5 mil in cap space this year with this move. -
As another person said on Twitter, the cost for Graham per year is less than Julius Thomas. Who would you rather have?
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This is great news. Not sure how much jacksonville threw at Thomas but unless they backed a brink's truck up, I couldn't believe he turned down the hawks for that dumpster fire. And I just caught the Graham thing on the bottom line, but I didn't catch which team and beelined to moms basement to see if it was the hawks.
Only thing that concerns me is I feel like Carroll and Schneider might just be ok throwing patchwork OLs out there. Losing carpenter and unger stings. Last year was a little better but I hope they address these holes. But for Jimmy Graham I'll fucking take it. -
Guards and Centers aren't sexy draft picks ... often very visible in the 3rd to 5th rounds of drafts where the Hawks tend to make a killing.
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Seattle has a ton of mid round picks, I'm guessing they will load up on offensive and defensive linemen and some will end up pretty damn good.
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Some Jimmies gon' get Russelled.
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Is this joke old yet?PatHadenFS said:Some Jimmies gon' get Russelled.
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Huge move by the Seahawks. Getting Graham is awesome, but why are the Saints getting rid of him, especially for such little cap relief? There was a reason the Vikings got rid of Harvin.
The defense needs to rebuild the depth. A lack of depth at CB and DL played a huge role in losing the Super Bowl. The OL has been suspect for a few years. -
Probably ran his course in New Orleans ... they seem to be a team in transition.RoadDawg55 said:Huge move by the Seahawks. Getting Graham is awesome, but why are the Saints getting rid of him, especially for such little cap relief? There was a reason the Vikings got rid of Harvin.
The defense needs to rebuild the depth. A lack of depth at CB and DL played a huge role in losing the Super Bowl. The OL has been suspect for a few years.
Graham's a bit of a bitch ... but sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders for someone. -
They are shopping Drew Brees too. Their cap has been so mismanaged they are basically forced into a rebuild now. Total dumpster fire.RoadDawg55 said:Huge move by the Seahawks. Getting Graham is awesome, but why are the Saints getting rid of him, especially for such little cap relief? There was a reason the Vikings got rid of Harvin.
The defense needs to rebuild the depth. A lack of depth at CB and DL played a huge role in losing the Super Bowl. The OL has been suspect for a few years. -
Ah, a real TE. Willson can go back to Canada. Paging @dnc
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Will Tanigawa or Criste still be available then?Tequilla said:Guards and Centers aren't sexy draft picks ... often very visible in the 3rd to 5th rounds of drafts where the Hawks tend to make a killing.
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We know Atoe won't bebananasnblondes said:
Will Tanigawa or Criste still be available then?
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I think the saints are going to try to pound the ball more that has to be the reason to trade for Ung and resign Ingram
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If i was a 12 id be online ordering my 80 jersey
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get a custom Graham 80, troll all the people. edit, that would cost way too much money for a joke.
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Smart move by the 'Hawks.
Makes a ton of sense to bring in a guy who is used to catching passes from the other shortest QB in the league. -
Hugh and Holmgren have concerns. Graham won't/can't block... Hawks are fucked with "no" line... This was only done because RW is short...
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What a couple of shitfucks...sarktastic said:Hugh and Holmgren have concerns. Graham won't/can't block... Hawks are fucked with "no" line... This was only done because RW is short...
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I know, WIW. -
They had a line before?sarktastic said:Hugh and Holmgren have concerns. Graham won't/can't block... Hawks are fucked with "no" line... This was only done because RW is short...
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So Graham is a lock to succeed is what your saying?sarktastic said:Hugh and Holmgren have concerns. Graham won't/can't block... Hawks are fucked with "no" line... This was only done because RW is short...
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FTFYsection_332 said:If i was a 12 id be online ordering my
8088 jersey
