Complete Netenyahu Video...
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It has become clear that Obama doesn't care if Iran gets the bomb. He only cares that they get it after he's left office. It is also apparent that he does not intend to forward any agreement with Iran to the Senate for ratification. These acts are treasonous.
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What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
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So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
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Resign?
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Golf
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Obama does love trolling conservatives. I could see him doing that a year from quitting time just to watch conservatives go into convulsions over Biden.HuskyInAZ said:Resign?
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Hondo, you do realize that no one goes into convulsions over Biden, don't you? People are laughing at him.
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2001400ex said:
So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
Serious question tho, what would you do if you were Obama?
Because we CAN? WE DIDN'T FUCKING START THIS!
We have been in a war since 2001. It will not be over until Muslims have no other choice but NOT to take up arms against us. Unless Libtards get that though your thick fucking skulls, we risk potential nuclear bombs in your back yard.
Muslims do NOT honor treaties with infidels. Read the fucking Koran.
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Show me in the Quran where is says to murder non believers.d2d said:2001400ex said:
So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
Serious question tho, what would you do if you were Obama?
Because we CAN? WE DIDN'T FUCKING START THIS!
We have been in a war since 2001. It will not be over until Muslims have no other choice but NOT to take up arms against us. Unless Libtards get that though your thick fucking skulls, we risk potential nuclear bombs in your back yard.
Muslims do NOT honor treaties with infidels. Read the fucking Koran. -
Seriously?2001400ex said:
Show me in the Quran where is says to murder non believers.d2d said:2001400ex said:
So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
Serious question tho, what would you do if you were Obama?
Because we CAN? WE DIDN'T FUCKING START THIS!
We have been in a war since 2001. It will not be over until Muslims have no other choice but NOT to take up arms against us. Unless Libtards get that though your thick fucking skulls, we risk potential nuclear bombs in your back yard.
Muslims do NOT honor treaties with infidels. Read the fucking Koran. -
Yes. Show me the quote.RaceBannon said:
Seriously?2001400ex said:
Show me in the Quran where is says to murder non believers.d2d said:2001400ex said:
So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
Serious question tho, what would you do if you were Obama?
Because we CAN? WE DIDN'T FUCKING START THIS!
We have been in a war since 2001. It will not be over until Muslims have no other choice but NOT to take up arms against us. Unless Libtards get that though your thick fucking skulls, we risk potential nuclear bombs in your back yard.
Muslims do NOT honor treaties with infidels. Read the fucking Koran. -
Honda. Read this. It is TL, DR. But it is the best article i've read explaining ISIS, what they want, and how Islam is completely the engine behind it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ -
2001400ex said:
Yes. Show me the quote.RaceBannon said:
Seriously?2001400ex said:
Show me in the Quran where is says to murder non believers.d2d said:2001400ex said:
So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
Serious question tho, what would you do if you were Obama?
Because we CAN? WE DIDN'T FUCKING START THIS!
We have been in a war since 2001. It will not be over until Muslims have no other choice but NOT to take up arms against us. Unless Libtards get that though your thick fucking skulls, we risk potential nuclear bombs in your back yard.
Muslims do NOT honor treaties with infidels. Read the fucking Koran.
From the article, here is a taster:
"Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal."
If you continue to read, numerous quotes from the Koran and Muslim leaders will open your eyes to the sacred text that basically demands all who deny Mohammad's perfectness must be slaughtered or enslaved. HtH. -
Didn't think you could find it.Doogles said:2001400ex said:
Yes. Show me the quote.RaceBannon said:
Seriously?2001400ex said:
Show me in the Quran where is says to murder non believers.d2d said:2001400ex said:
So what should we do, go kill all the Muslims in the region in the name of Christianity and Israel? Where did I read in the Bible that we should kill other religions just because we can?Southerndawg said:What Obama is doing is completely FS, narcissistic, extremely dangerous, and potentially unconstitutional. These acts might be described as treasonous in that they betray the faith put in Obama as POTUS, but IMHO, he is not actually committing treason. If he were willfully, knowingly, and intentionally doing this to harm the United States, then that would be a different matter. IMHO, this is his attempt to create a foreign policy legacy for himself that he believes is positive, which just goes to show how completely out of touch and over his head he really is.
Serious question tho, what would you do if you were Obama?
Because we CAN? WE DIDN'T FUCKING START THIS!
We have been in a war since 2001. It will not be over until Muslims have no other choice but NOT to take up arms against us. Unless Libtards get that though your thick fucking skulls, we risk potential nuclear bombs in your back yard.
Muslims do NOT honor treaties with infidels. Read the fucking Koran.
From the article, here is a taster:
"Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal."
If you continue to read, numerous quotes from the Koran and Muslim leaders will open your eyes to the sacred text that basically demands all who deny Mohammad's perfectness must be slaughtered or enslaved. HtH. -
I didn't question the motives for ISIS. I questioned where in the Quran are the quotes saying to murder non believers.Doogles said:Honda. Read this. It is TL, DR. But it is the best article i've read explaining ISIS, what they want, and how Islam is completely the engine behind it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ -
"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves.
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”"
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Read for context.Doogles said:"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves.
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”"
Shall I continue.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
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You're not interested in the truth Hondo. You just want to run cover for Obama
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So you ask for a quote from the Koran that details the murder and enslavement of non-believers, I provide it, and then you send me an apologist link to gain context?2001400ex said:
Read for context.Doogles said:"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves.
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”"
Shall I continue.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
You have to be a troll. You are officially the dumbest fucking poster to ever grace Hardcore Husky, and that is saying a lot. Holy Allah Akbar Shit. -
From the dude who would rather quote an opinion piece for facts rather than read actual quotes and interpretation.Doogles said:
So you ask for a quote from the Koran that details the murder and enslavement of non-believers, I provide it, and then you send me an apologist link to gain context?2001400ex said:
Read for context.Doogles said:"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves.
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”"
Shall I continue.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
You have to be a troll. You are officially the dumbest fucking poster to ever grace Hardcore Husky, and that is saying a lot. Holy Allah Akbar Shit.
Reality is, until I started researching it, I thought the same as you cause I heard and read that over and over.
Fact is, there are Muslims who want to kill Christians in the name of Allah. But they aren't following the Quran in those quests. -
"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah."2001400ex said:
From the dude who would rather quote an opinion piece for facts rather than read actual quotes and interpretation.Doogles said:
So you ask for a quote from the Koran that details the murder and enslavement of non-believers, I provide it, and then you send me an apologist link to gain context?2001400ex said:
Read for context.Doogles said:"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves.
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”"
Shall I continue.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
You have to be a troll. You are officially the dumbest fucking poster to ever grace Hardcore Husky, and that is saying a lot. Holy Allah Akbar Shit.
Reality is, until I started researching it, I thought the same as you cause I heard and read that over and over.
Fact is, there are Muslims who want to kill Christians in the name of Allah. But they aren't following the Quran in those quests.
(Quran 2:191) -
"Quran scholars claim that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. The previous verse, 2:190 is:Doogles said:
"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah."2001400ex said:
From the dude who would rather quote an opinion piece for facts rather than read actual quotes and interpretation.Doogles said:
So you ask for a quote from the Koran that details the murder and enslavement of non-believers, I provide it, and then you send me an apologist link to gain context?2001400ex said:
Read for context.Doogles said:"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves.
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”"
Shall I continue.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
You have to be a troll. You are officially the dumbest fucking poster to ever grace Hardcore Husky, and that is saying a lot. Holy Allah Akbar Shit.
Reality is, until I started researching it, I thought the same as you cause I heard and read that over and over.
Fact is, there are Muslims who want to kill Christians in the name of Allah. But they aren't following the Quran in those quests.
(Quran 2:191)
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." (Quran 2:190)"
Utilize context. -
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
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Cherry pick how you like. Fact remains a significant amount of Muslims read these texts literally and are actively murdering people to fulfill its mission.
You asked for a quote, I gave you a few of many. It's not my job to police how you and the rest of the world interprets its meaning. But yes, I'm very concerned that a strong violent contingent is using the Koran as its fuel to attack the country I love.
Join a theology discussion board, that seems to be more your speed. -
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"Reading verse 4 of chapter 47 of the Quran, the passage encourages believers to kill the enemy. But, when we take a closer look towards the end of the verse it says, “those who are killed in the cause of Allah”, these same words are used in the following verses in the Quran,GrundleStiltzkin said:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Quran 2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
Quran 2:246 Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after [the time of] Moses when they said to a prophet of theirs, “Send to us a king, and we will fight in the way of Allah “? He said, “Would you perhaps refrain from fighting if fighting was prescribed for you?” They said, “And why should we not fight in the cause of Allah when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?” But when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, except for a few of them. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers.
Quran 4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”
So, reading the above verses it becomes evident that Q 47:4 does not encourage violence against the innocent. This shows, Quran 47:4 encourages believers to fight in God’s cause so to free people from oppression and tyranny."
http://discover-the-truth.com/2014/10/27/quran-473-4-in-the-cause-of-allah/ -
"Reading verse 4 of chapter 47 of the Quran, the passage encourages believers to kill the enemy. But, when we take a closer look towards the end of the verse it says, “those who are killed in the cause of Allah”, these same words are used in the following verses in the Quran,2001400ex said:GrundleStiltzkin said:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Quran 2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
Quran 2:246 Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after [the time of] Moses when they said to a prophet of theirs, “Send to us a king, and we will fight in the way of Allah “? He said, “Would you perhaps refrain from fighting if fighting was prescribed for you?” They said, “And why should we not fight in the cause of Allah when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?” But when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, except for a few of them. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers.
Quran 4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”
So, reading the above verses it becomes evident that Q 47:4 does not encourage violence against the innocent. This shows, Quran 47:4 encourages believers to fight in God’s cause so to free people from oppression and tyranny."
http://discover-the-truth.com/2014/10/27/quran-473-4-in-the-cause-of-allah/
I hear there are great Sand dunes this time of year in Iraq. Take your ATV out there Honda and let 'er rip.
Bonus is there are these friendly nomadic campers all over the place. Walk up and say hey! Maybe trade them your ipod for a goat and a free lesson from their super peaceful book.
Have fun! See you on Fox news!!
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You don't read well. I'm just arguing that your preconceived notions are wrong.RaceBannon said:Add muslim apologist to Hondo's resume
FYI, true story. I walked through a Muslim temple (coincidentally with a UW T-shirt on) about 100 miles from Pakistan, in India, and nothing happened to me. It was disgusting and they made us take off our flip flops and walk barefoot. Granted India is peaceful. When I told my father in law, an old school conservative, that I took his daughter through a Muslim temple, he about flipped out.
Like I said, there are Muslims that want to kill us. That I'm not disputing. And some of them even use the Quran as their motivation. -
That's not what you said. You asked for a quote from the Koran that advocated violence.2001400ex said:
You don't read well. I'm just arguing that your preconceived notions are wrong.RaceBannon said:Add muslim apologist to Hondo's resume
FYI, true story. I walked through a Muslim temple (coincidentally with a UW T-shirt on) about 100 miles from Pakistan, in India, and nothing happened to me. It was disgusting and they made us take off our flip flops and walk barefoot. Granted India is peaceful. When I told my father in law, an old school conservative, that I took his daughter through a Muslim temple, he about flipped out.
Like I said, there are Muslims that want to kill us. That I'm not disputing. And some of them even use the Quran as their motivation.
No shit most muslims are peaceful, water is wet.
Now you say the Koran inspires them, but here on the same thread, same page, you are shown to be back pedaling from your original statement.2001400ex said:
Fact is, there are Muslims who want to kill Christians in the name of Allah. But they aren't following the Quran in those quests.
I'm not running around scared of all brown people that pray to the east. There is a significant portion of them that use their holy book to justify crimes against humanity. I'm not going to apologize on behalf of the muslims that don't in order to not hurt their feelings.
It's their religion, their reputation. Let their peaceful leaders stand on a podium and renounce these hateful texts. May they provide context for the muslims lacking context to better guide them in their path for salvation. May their actions back up their words.
