Vaccines are NOT SAFE!

Thanks for the laugh, D2D. That video was great.

d2d said:

Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)

d2d said:

What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.

d2d said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

d2d said:

Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)

d2d said:

What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.

Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.

Who's making decisions for anyone? Nobody forced us to get dnc junior vaccinated. We were told when the vaccines would be available and given the option if we wanted some or all of them. We talked about it, researched it, prayed about it (hi cornel!) and decided the rewards outweighed the risks. Little dude screamed for about three minutes after the first batch at two months, but he took the four month batch like a champ.

We made the decision. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

d2d said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

d2d said:

Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)

d2d said:

What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.

Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.

Please cite "US only" statistics, not Bangladesh. I really don't care how many fucking Muslims died from measles. Whatever it was, it wasn't enough.

Hi there.

You "US only" statistics aren't going to teach you much because almost everyone in the US got vaccinated. This new crunchy granola hippy anti vaccine movement that you've somehow embraced is going to provide a different data set for us to look at in 15 or 20 years, but we're going to have to give measles some tim to get it's own viruses in there.

The whole poont is that where masses of people don't get vaccinated, it's a BFD. It would be wise to not become that.

d2d said:

dnc said:

d2d said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

d2d said:

Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)

d2d said:

What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.

Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.

Who's making decisions for anyone? Nobody forced us to get dnc junior vaccinated. We were told when the vaccines would be available and given the option if we wanted some or all of them. We talked about it, researched it, prayed about it (hi cornel!) and decided the rewards outweighed the risks. Little dude screamed for about three minutes after the first batch at two months, but he took the four month batch like a champ.

We made the decision. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

That's because the "Philosophical" exemption law hasn't passed the WA legislature yet. (There is a proposed bill.) If you lived in Nevada, unless you were a Member of the Christian Scientists, you wouldn't have a choice.

I don't live in Washington.

I didn't know d2d was Jay Cutler.