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Vaccines are NOT SAFE!

d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
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OMG, could it be that our Government is wrong about something?

"It’s a proven fact that vaccine manufacturers and health authorities have known about the dangers associated with vaccines for a very long time, but have chosen to withhold them from public knowledge in order to maintain “herd immunity.” This is scientific fraud and manipulation of scientific data that’s dished out to doctors worldwide." Dr. Suzanne Humphries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=efto1LpWkKw
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    OMG could it be that your news source is lying to you.
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited February 2015
    2001400ex said:

    OMG could it be that your news source is lying to you.

    You watched an 11 minute video in 3 minutes?

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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,980
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    Thanks for the laugh, D2D. That video was great.
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  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,493
    Merica
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    dnc said:

    I'm not convinced vaccines are completely safe. I am convinced they're a hell of a lot safer than Polio and Measles and Tetanus.

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled. What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827
    edited February 2015
    d2d said:

    dnc said:

    I'm not convinced vaccines are completely safe. I am convinced they're a hell of a lot safer than Polio and Measles and Tetanus.

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled. What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.
    Damn. I didn't know measles kills brain cells.









    Shit talking aside, measles killed over half a million people in 1990.

    "Most people live through it" = / = "no big fucking deal".

    People are free to decide what they want. If people don't give their kids the measles vaccine, I'm free to point out that they're stupid.
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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,980
    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited February 2015
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.

    Please cite "US only" statistics, not Bangladesh. I really don't care how many fucking Muslims died from measles. Whatever it was, it wasn't enough.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827
    edited February 2015
    d2d said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.
    Who's making decisions for anyone? Nobody forced us to get dnc junior vaccinated. We were told when the vaccines would be available and given the option if we wanted some or all of them. We talked about it, researched it, prayed about it (hi cornel!) and decided the rewards outweighed the risks. Little dude screamed for about three minutes after the first batch at two months, but he took the four month batch like a champ.

    We made the decision. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,980
    d2d said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.
    Hey, they're my tax dollars.



    Also, great retort. What else you got?
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,827
    d2d said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.

    Please cite "US only" statistics, not Bangladesh. I really don't care how many fucking Muslims died from measles. Whatever it was, it wasn't enough.
    Hi there.

    You "US only" statistics aren't going to teach you much because almost everyone in the US got vaccinated. This new crunchy granola hippy anti vaccine movement that you've somehow embraced is going to provide a different data set for us to look at in 15 or 20 years, but we're going to have to give measles some tim to get it's own viruses in there.

    The whole poont is that where masses of people don't get vaccinated, it's a BFD. It would be wise to not become that.
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  • Citrus4TroogsCitrus4Troogs Member Posts: 248
    Isn't anti-vaccine ignorance was the domain of retards on the left, not the right? You tea party folk shouldn't really be adding this this cat turd to your MERICA LIBERTAY FARTBAMA shill list.
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited February 2015
    dnc said:

    d2d said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.
    Who's making decisions for anyone? Nobody forced us to get dnc junior vaccinated. We were told when the vaccines would be available and given the option if we wanted some or all of them. We talked about it, researched it, prayed about it (hi cornel!) and decided the rewards outweighed the risks. Little dude screamed for about three minutes after the first batch at two months, but he took the four month batch like a champ.

    We made the decision. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
    That's because the "Philosophical" exemption law hasn't passed the WA legislature yet. (There is a proposed bill.) If you lived in Nevada, unless you were a Member of the Christian Scientists, you wouldn't have a choice.

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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,980
    Citrus4Troogs said:

    Isn't anti-vaccine ignorance was the domain of retards on the left, not the right? You tea party folk shouldn't really be adding this this cat turd to your MERICA LIBERTAY FARTBAMA shill list.

    Correct, Republican states have higher vaccination rates than Democratic states. FWIW, look at where the most recent vaccine-preventable outbreaks have occurs in the US going back to 2000.

    In fact, Mississippi, of all states, has the highest rates of vaccination in the US.
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.
    Hey, they're my tax dollars.



    Also, great retort. What else you got?
    Call Patty Murray about this. This is why you pay that retard the BIG BUCKS!

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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,980
    d2d said:

    Call Patty Murray about this. This is why you pay that retard the BIG BUCKS!

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    Are you okay?

    This map is rabies vaccines for cats and dogs.

    Also, your original argument was that vaccines aren't safe. Your map above shows that we aren't giving vaccines to cats and dogs in WA state, yet you criticize Patty Murray about it even though she's a Senator and is not affiliated with approving health policy at the state level.
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited February 2015
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    Citrus4Troogs said:

    Isn't anti-vaccine ignorance was the domain of retards on the left, not the right? You tea party folk shouldn't really be adding this this cat turd to your MERICA LIBERTAY FARTBAMA shill list.

    Correct, Republican states have higher vaccination rates than Democratic states. FWIW, look at where the most recent vaccine-preventable outbreaks have occurs in the US going back to 2000.

    In fact, Mississippi, of all states, has the highest rates of vaccination in the US.
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Call Patty Murray about this. This is why you pay that retard the BIG BUCKS!

    image

    Are you okay?

    This map is rabies vaccines for cats and dogs.

    Also, your original argument was that vaccines aren't safe. Your map above shows that we aren't giving vaccines to cats and dogs in WA state, yet you criticize Patty Murray about it even though she's a Senator and is not affiliated with approving health policy at the state level.
    She "CARES" about Vets. (It's bullshit but she keeps saying it.) Vets vaccinate dogs and cats. Passing a law that makes it mandatory is a great way to sell your product and would help Vets in WA State. (See Obamacare). If she passed a federal law, (under the "commerce clause"), it would help all the Vets.

    PS: Republicans are smarter than Libtards.

    bizpacreview.com/2013/03/10/pew-makes-it-official-republicans-are-smarter-than-democrats-54686
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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    The anti-vax crowd are the mother fuckers you for sure can't trust to take care of business in a zombie apocalypse.
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