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Vaccines are NOT SAFE!

d2d
d2d Member Posts: 3,109
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OMG, could it be that our Government is wrong about something?

"It’s a proven fact that vaccine manufacturers and health authorities have known about the dangers associated with vaccines for a very long time, but have chosen to withhold them from public knowledge in order to maintain “herd immunity.” This is scientific fraud and manipulation of scientific data that’s dished out to doctors worldwide." Dr. Suzanne Humphries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=efto1LpWkKw
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    OMG could it be that your news source is lying to you.
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited February 2015
    2001400ex said:

    OMG could it be that your news source is lying to you.

    You watched an 11 minute video in 3 minutes?

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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 13,015
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    Thanks for the laugh, D2D. That video was great.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,183 Standard Supporter
    Merica
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    dnc said:

    I'm not convinced vaccines are completely safe. I am convinced they're a hell of a lot safer than Polio and Measles and Tetanus.

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled. What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited February 2015
    d2d said:

    dnc said:

    I'm not convinced vaccines are completely safe. I am convinced they're a hell of a lot safer than Polio and Measles and Tetanus.

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled. What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.
    Damn. I didn't know measles kills brain cells.









    Shit talking aside, measles killed over half a million people in 1990.

    "Most people live through it" = / = "no big fucking deal".

    People are free to decide what they want. If people don't give their kids the measles vaccine, I'm free to point out that they're stupid.
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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 13,015
    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited February 2015
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    d2d said:

    Measles doesn't kill you or leave you crippled.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

    1.) In 2013, there were 145,700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.

    2.) Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.

    Okay, okay, so this isn't Africa or other poor countries, this is WASHINGTON AMERICA DAMMIT! so what about measles in a first-world country? What about France with a modern healthcare system and a population had adequate access to medical care, is educated, is wealthy, and has health insurance?

    http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/3/12-1360_article

    Highlights are that there were >20,000 cases between 2008-2011, resulting in nearly 4,980 hospitalizations and even 10 deaths. Yeah, in France, who has a pretty damn good medical system.

    And not just France, but other European countries have had thousands of cases per year in various outbreaks, with Spain and Italy having outbreaks in 2011, too. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/)
    d2d said:

    What's the big fucking deal about measles? I had regular and German measles. No big fucking deal. Let parents make their own fucking decisions instead of YOU deciding FOR THEM.

    The other issue is costs. Look at some of the numbers I mentioned earlier for France's hospitalizations between 2008-2011; there were a total of 4,980 hospitalizations. That's money that is coming out of health insurance plans that could be coming out or your tax dollars. Yeah, in France, it's from the national health care system, but the same principle is true in the US if these patients are Medicaid... or worse, from within the same group of your private health insurance plan (meaning you'll be paying a higher cost-share in premiums the following year).

    The first big deal is that it can be fatal, even in developed countries. The second big deal is costs.
    Ahhh. So now that you shoved Obamacare down people's throats, it's OK for you to make all other people's medical decisions for them? FU.

    Please cite "US only" statistics, not Bangladesh. I really don't care how many fucking Muslims died from measles. Whatever it was, it wasn't enough.
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