Steve Sandmeyer breaks the "Can't Fire Romar" barrier
Overall, I agree with everything he said. Romar seems to get an excuse every year (someone's hurt, someone got kicked off the team, wait til next year's guys get in) but it's not that much to ask to be the 5th best team in the conference and not lose to teams like Albany and Stony Brook at home. Just because he saw some success at a school thats not used to it doesn't mean he gets a lifelong contract to make the NIT every other year.
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POTD.
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Today's example of why Sandy is heads and shoulders the best radio going in Seattle at the moment.
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Sandy has always been one of the good guys.
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I like Sandmeyer, but that's a FS reaction to the Upshaw news.
-Pool Boy doesn't have anyone lined up.
-the recruits won't stay (maybe Thybulle and Crisp stay, Murray and the Cali kid definitely not).
-they're NOT making the tournament after Upshaw's dismissal. Probably a bubble team at best with him.
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Just about to poast what fremont said: it's pretty FS to jump right to worrying about replacement candidates. Make the first decision, which is to DTMF, and then go from there.
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This should have happened at least one, if not two years ago.
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The problem with firing Romar is the only thing UW has going for itself is keeping Local elite talent at home. Anyone who doesn't think there will be a hometown support Romar block party featuring Nate Rob, Broy, Jamal Crawford, etc. is naive.
An influential group of professionals swears by him, it is literally impossible to fire Romar unless he completely implodes.
It's the kind of move that is necessary, but also not certifiable until a few years pass IF you make the right hire. It's a PR nightmare waiting to happen. -
This is actually a real concern. The local guys are very much in the Romar camp. If he is fired, you risk losing the support from the former players. Guys like B-Roy and Conroy are always at Garfield games. And a lot of the Beach guys donate a LOT of money to that program. They have a lot of influence over the young guys coming up.Doogles said:The problem with firing Romar is the only thing UW has going for itself is keeping Local elite talent at home. Anyone who doesn't think there will be a hometown support Romar block party featuring Nate Rob, Broy, Jamal Crawford, etc. is naive.
An influential group of professionals swears by him, it is literally impossible to fire Romar unless he completely implodes.
It's the kind of move that is necessary, but also not certifiable until a few years pass IF you make the right hire. It's a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
As much as many here don't want to hear it, Romar is liked by the majority of the fans and alumni. Basketball isn't football. And he has never tanked hard enough to force his firing. If I was a betting man, he retires at UW. O/U is 5 years.
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What he said was not in response to the Upshaw thing, but rather in response to a trend of Romar not making the dance and not getting much out of the players he recruits.ThomasFremont said:I like Sandmeyer, but that's a FS reaction to the Upshaw news.
-Pool Boy doesn't have anyone lined up.
-the recruits won't stay (maybe Thybulle and Crisp stay, Murray and the Cali kid definitely not).
-they're NOT making the tournament after Upshaw's dismissal. Probably a bubble team at best with him.
Fucking profile in courage. -
Except he said it right after the Upshaw news broke...man the fuck up and say it before the season starts.bananasnblondes said:
What he said was not in response to the Upshaw thing, but rather in response to a trend of Romar not making the dance and not getting much out of the players he recruits.ThomasFremont said:I like Sandmeyer, but that's a FS reaction to the Upshaw news.
-Pool Boy doesn't have anyone lined up.
-the recruits won't stay (maybe Thybulle and Crisp stay, Murray and the Cali kid definitely not).
-they're NOT making the tournament after Upshaw's dismissal. Probably a bubble team at best with him.
Fucking profile in courage. -
He might have said it before the season started. I'm not sure. My original post was for comedic drama. The point is, he's the only media member in Seattle that has any kind of balls when it comes to Romar and his trend of mediocre/bad results. To everyone else (mainly people who have absolutely no stock in UW basketball), it's the same tired "Romar is a great man. He has integrity. The program can't do any better. We should be happy with what he's given us. He's good for the community." In fact, people all over dawgman and other places are currently falling all over themselves saying what a great man Romar is for kicking Upshaw off the team, and how it's too bad that the rest of the season is for shit now but it's good to have a coach who has standards. Why isn't anybody asking why we are doomed by losing 1 player and why the other 11 players on the team look lost on the court and still look like they did when they got to UW?
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Most college teams not named Kentucky are doomed when they lose their best player. This isn't a Romar thing. There are valid criticisms to make, why are you bothering with this drivel?bananasnblondes said:He might have said it before the season started. I'm not sure. My original post was for comedic drama. The point is, he's the only media member in Seattle that has any kind of balls when it comes to Romar and his trend of mediocre/bad results. To everyone else (mainly people who have absolutely no stock in UW basketball), it's the same tired "Romar is a great man. He has integrity. The program can't do any better. We should be happy with what he's given us. He's good for the community." In fact, people all over dawgman and other places are currently falling all over themselves saying what a great man Romar is for kicking Upshaw off the team, and how it's too bad that the rest of the season is for shit now but it's good to have a coach who has standards. Why isn't anybody asking why we are doomed by losing 1 player and why the other 11 players on the team look lost on the court and still look like they did when they got to UW?
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A lot of Seattle fans don't appreciate greatness.
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I'm sure that is somewhat of a concern, but is it really that important? UW basketball attendance has been declining for a few years, right along with the product on the floor. The local talent has other reasons for staying home other than B-Roy, Nate, Crawford, IT, etc.Doogles said:The problem with firing Romar is the only thing UW has going for itself is keeping Local elite talent at home. Anyone who doesn't think there will be a hometown support Romar block party featuring Nate Rob, Broy, Jamal Crawford, etc. is naive.
An influential group of professionals swears by him, it is literally impossible to fire Romar unless he completely implodes.
It's the kind of move that is necessary, but also not certifiable until a few years pass IF you make the right hire. It's a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
The PR nightmare will be more about firing the most successful coach in the history of the program. There are always some backlash for firing a coach unless they go 0-12 like Ty. This is Seattle. Dumb fucks actually whined about Gilby not getting a fair chance.
I wish we would have already fired Romar, but what I wish for isn't reality and I agree with Thomas. Romar would probably have to go two or three more years without reaching the tournament in order to get fired.
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Fire is a harsh word. I prefer "let go" or "transition"
There has to be a classy way of doing it. Romar is a great guy who has done a lot for the program over the past decade. Recrootin' is solid. Just not a good X's and O's coach
Sometime in the near future, perhaps transition him into the AD....keep him involved. Fundraising, or something like that. Do you think money is an issue at this point? Would he want to coach elsewhere? -
Fire Romar and you risk losing everything. All of the impressive alumni we have in the NBA? None of them will give any support to the program again; Romar was a god to them. That recruiting class, the only single thing we have to look forward to in the future, would completely disintegrate. Then the big question, who the hell do we hire? Nobody is knocking down walls to come coach at a middle-of-the-road program in a shitty conference that sees less fan support with each passing year. Get rid of Romar, and we are immediately in the Pac-12 cellar, where we would remain for a very long time. Get used to being a middling program with the occasional shot at a conference title and tournament run, this is as good as it gets. Let Cal football be a lesson to everyone.
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Hard to argue with a classmate of Auburndawg.GreenRiverGatorz said:Fire Romar and you risk losing everything. All of the impressive alumni we have in the NBA? None of them will give any support to the program again; Romar was a god to them. That recruiting class, the only single thing we have to look forward to in the future, would completely disintegrate. Then the big question, who the hell do we hire? Nobody is knocking down walls to come coach at a middle-of-the-road program in a shitty conference that sees less fan support with each passing year. Get rid of Romar, and we are immediately in the Pac-12 cellar, where we would remain for a very long time. Get used to being a middling program with the occasional shot at a conference title and tournament run, this is as good as it gets. Let Cal football be a lesson to everyone.
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You can't lose everything when you have nothing.GreenRiverGatorz said:Fire Romar and you risk losing everything.
Who gives a shit if you take a step back from Romar? The program is going on 4 years without a tournament and will be relying on freshmen next year, which is something Romar has never done well with. 5 years of no tournament and you keep the coach?
Afraid of losing recruits that he will underacheive with? Who gives a shit about high school kids? A good coach will get enough local kids, and if he doesn't he'll fucking win games anyway by means of actually having a fucking gameplan.
Might a new coach do worse? Sure. But Romar is not getting this program turned around. He did well when Lute was senile and Zona going into the tank for a few years, when Montgomery was out of the league. Ben Braun, Jay John & Herb evans were about the average coaches in the league. Howland beating players was the best thing in the conference by far. Big Ern did the same at UO when the coaching sucked.
Romar's a bottom tier coach in the current Pac-12. Not sure there is a coach in the league that is certainly worse. Alford, Cuonzo and the FGC guy at least have a little time to wait and see.
Local recruits aren't going to save the program with Romar "coaching" them
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I don't know if this is a whoosh or not, but I completely disagree. Hiring a new coach is always a risk, but if you hire the right coach, they will win. They shouldn't keep Romar to appease some local NBA players. I do reluctantly agree about the recruiting class, which is why Romar should have been fired a year or two ago.GreenRiverGatorz said:Fire Romar and you risk losing everything. All of the impressive alumni we have in the NBA? None of them will give any support to the program again; Romar was a god to them. That recruiting class, the only single thing we have to look forward to in the future, would completely disintegrate. Then the big question, who the hell do we hire? Nobody is knocking down walls to come coach at a middle-of-the-road program in a shitty conference that sees less fan support with each passing year. Get rid of Romar, and we are immediately in the Pac-12 cellar, where we would remain for a very long time. Get used to being a middling program with the occasional shot at a conference title and tournament run, this is as good as it gets. Let Cal football be a lesson to everyone.
The NBA players don't do much, if anything for the program. It's a nice story in the paper, but they really don't. They like Romar, BFD. They play all over Seattle, not just at UW. I know B-Roy has an AAU team, but there are tons of capable basketball players. Recruiting in basketball is hardly the same as football. You can also recruit abroad if you bring in a coach with those connections. Some of those guys would want to go to UW anyways to play in front of friends and family. -
sandmeyer runs the only somewhat listenable radio show in all of seattle
Every PAC~12 coach sucks outside of krystowiak and and millerSevenEleven said:
You can't lose everything when you have nothing.GreenRiverGatorz said:Fire Romar and you risk losing everything.
Who gives a shit if you take a step back from Romar? The program is going on 4 years without a tournament and will be relying on freshmen next year, which is something Romar has never done well with. 5 years of no tournament and you keep the coach?
Afraid of losing recruits that he will underacheive with? Who gives a shit about high school kids? A good coach will get enough local kids, and if he doesn't he'll fucking win games anyway by means of actually having a fucking gameplan.
Might a new coach do worse? Sure. But Romar is not getting this program turned around. He did well when Lute was senile and Zona going into the tank for a few years, when Montgomery was out of the league. Ben Braun, Jay John & Herb evans were about the average coaches in the league. Howland beating players was the best thing in the conference by far. Big Ern did the same at UO when the coaching sucked.
Romar's a bottom tier coach in the current Pac-12. Not sure there is a coach in the league that is certainly worse. Alford, Cuonzo and the FGC guy at least have a little time to wait and see.
Local recruits aren't going to save the program with Romar "coaching" them
That said id still take 7-8 of them over romar
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Can we shoot down a few myths floating around these parts regarding program implosion if Romar were to be fired. That isn't further from the truth. IF, romar were to be let go at the end of this season I would expect there is a coach lined up to take the job. I would also argue that Romar may stay in a capacity in the program still to help it transition.
The players love romar, especially;y the nba guys who come back, but that really doesn't do shit for our teams. each and every year where the team is a joke.
IF, Romar was let go at the end of this year, we would still get most of the guys to come in the door.
Then, you start fresh with everyone else. The whole program needs energy and life thrust into it. Romar is a nice guy and I wanted him to get UW bball further, but it's time to give someone else a shot
Larry K down in utah blew up that program and within 3 years they are dominate. We don't have to settle for mediocre b/c we're scared of who may be next. .
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Why would Romar want to be around immediately after being fired? And do you believe the new coach would want him around? In due time Romar could maybe be an announcer or have a bullshit job in the AD, but not immediately after being fired.FreeChavez said:Can we shoot down a few myths floating around these parts regarding program implosion if Romar were to be fired. That isn't further from the truth. IF, romar were to be let go at the end of this season I would expect there is a coach lined up to take the job. I would also argue that Romar may stay in a capacity in the program still to help it transition.
The players love romar, especially;y the nba guys who come back, but that really doesn't do shit for our teams. each and every year where the team is a joke.
IF, Romar was let go at the end of this year, we would still get most of the guys to come in the door.
Then, you start fresh with everyone else. The whole program needs energy and life thrust into it. Romar is a nice guy and I wanted him to get UW bball further, but it's time to give someone else a shot
Larry K down in utah blew up that program and within 3 years they are dominate. We don't have to settle for mediocre b/c we're scared of who may be next. .
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Simply hire whoever is tasked with recruiting for Garfield (B-Roy?) as the head coach-in-waiting. The rest of the GHS/Beach hoodrats would fall in line.ThomasFremont said:
This is actually a real concern. The local guys are very much in the Romar camp. If he is fired, you risk losing the support from the former players. Guys like B-Roy and Conroy are always at Garfield games. And a lot of the Beach guys donate a LOT of money to that program. They have a lot of influence over the young guys coming up.Doogles said:The problem with firing Romar is the only thing UW has going for itself is keeping Local elite talent at home. Anyone who doesn't think there will be a hometown support Romar block party featuring Nate Rob, Broy, Jamal Crawford, etc. is naive.
An influential group of professionals swears by him, it is literally impossible to fire Romar unless he completely implodes.
It's the kind of move that is necessary, but also not certifiable until a few years pass IF you make the right hire. It's a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
As much as many here don't want to hear it, Romar is liked by the majority of the fans and alumni. Basketball isn't football. And he has never tanked hard enough to force his firing. If I was a betting man, he retires at UW. O/U is 5 years.
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^ +1Doogles said:The problem with firing Romar is the only thing UW has going for itself is keeping Local elite talent at home. Anyone who doesn't think there will be a hometown support Romar block party featuring Nate Rob, Broy, Jamal Crawford, etc. is naive.
An influential group of professionals swears by him, it is literally impossible to fire Romar unless he completely implodes.
It's the kind of move that is necessary, but also not certifiable until a few years pass IF you make the right hire. It's a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
He has to have two straight poor seasons. We're talking 10-20 or so. -
Tinkle says hi.dhdawg said:sandmeyer runs the only somewhat listenable radio show in all of seattle
Every PAC~12 coach sucks outside of krystowiak and and millerSevenEleven said:
You can't lose everything when you have nothing.GreenRiverGatorz said:Fire Romar and you risk losing everything.
Who gives a shit if you take a step back from Romar? The program is going on 4 years without a tournament and will be relying on freshmen next year, which is something Romar has never done well with. 5 years of no tournament and you keep the coach?
Afraid of losing recruits that he will underacheive with? Who gives a shit about high school kids? A good coach will get enough local kids, and if he doesn't he'll fucking win games anyway by means of actually having a fucking gameplan.
Might a new coach do worse? Sure. But Romar is not getting this program turned around. He did well when Lute was senile and Zona going into the tank for a few years, when Montgomery was out of the league. Ben Braun, Jay John & Herb evans were about the average coaches in the league. Howland beating players was the best thing in the conference by far. Big Ern did the same at UO when the coaching sucked.
Romar's a bottom tier coach in the current Pac-12. Not sure there is a coach in the league that is certainly worse. Alford, Cuonzo and the FGC guy at least have a little time to wait and see.
Local recruits aren't going to save the program with Romar "coaching" them
That said id still take 7-8 of them over romar -
I've known a couple of the local talents, and I gotta say these comments are complete bullshit. Romar may be a good guy so local guys have a landing place, but they don't come here for ROMAR. They come here for the school, being close to home, etc. Seattle guys are seattle guys. I don't believe at all if we got a new coach all of a sudden they go to oregon, wazzu, osu, etc.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
^ +1Doogles said:The problem with firing Romar is the only thing UW has going for itself is keeping Local elite talent at home. Anyone who doesn't think there will be a hometown support Romar block party featuring Nate Rob, Broy, Jamal Crawford, etc. is naive.
An influential group of professionals swears by him, it is literally impossible to fire Romar unless he completely implodes.
It's the kind of move that is necessary, but also not certifiable until a few years pass IF you make the right hire. It's a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
He has to have two straight poor seasons. We're talking 10-20 or so.
I would also wager(however i have no inside knowledge) that the professionals who are around romar wonder how they didn't win in college. They are happy for their success, but wonder why they couldn't win in college game. Sadly that's what romar is paid for. -
We should always be getting local talent at the UW IF we have the right coach in place ... Romar's track record of landing local talent has been up and down.
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The whole "can't get anyone else" is bullshit.Tequilla said:We should always be getting local talent at the UW IF we have the right coach in place ... Romar's track record of landing local talent has been up and down.
To say that someone else couldn't at least do the same is settling for mediocrity.
Coaching football or basketball isn't any different than running a business.
It's not like a specialized profession like rocket surgery or something where people die when you fuck up. It's sport for christ's sake.
