Why CP will win big at UW, and why it will take a few years. (TLDR)
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Hatters gon' hat you homophobe.AEB said:
The good thing about you and your Jesbian buddies is you can marry them now.Doogles said:Longshore was pretty good until he got hurt. I was at the OSU vs Cal game where they were ranked number 2 and #1LSU lost. They announced it over the loudspeaker and the crowd went crazy.
That was where Kevin Riley went full retard and tried to run for the TD instead of throwing the ball away and taking a chip shot fg into overtime. Complete devastation for the fanbase.
Huge upset, cost Cal there first ever #1 AP ranking, and Tedford's career never recovered. Cal Buddy was kicked out of the game by the third quarter and later got arrested for stealing a team golf cart and driving it down greek row. He was blacked out. I love my friends. -
Ha ha. Too easy. I played there with Nigel.Doogles said:
Hatters gon' hat you homophobe.AEB said:
The good thing about you and your Jesbian buddies is you can marry them now.Doogles said:Longshore was pretty good until he got hurt. I was at the OSU vs Cal game where they were ranked number 2 and #1LSU lost. They announced it over the loudspeaker and the crowd went crazy.
That was where Kevin Riley went full retard and tried to run for the TD instead of throwing the ball away and taking a chip shot fg into overtime. Complete devastation for the fanbase.
Huge upset, cost Cal there first ever #1 AP ranking, and Tedford's career never recovered. Cal Buddy was kicked out of the game by the third quarter and later got arrested for stealing a team golf cart and driving it down greek row. He was blacked out. I love my friends. -
Carmazzi?AEB said:
Ha ha. Too easy. I played there with Nigel.Doogles said:
Hatters gon' hat you homophobe.AEB said:
The good thing about you and your Jesbian buddies is you can marry them now.Doogles said:Longshore was pretty good until he got hurt. I was at the OSU vs Cal game where they were ranked number 2 and #1LSU lost. They announced it over the loudspeaker and the crowd went crazy.
That was where Kevin Riley went full retard and tried to run for the TD instead of throwing the ball away and taking a chip shot fg into overtime. Complete devastation for the fanbase.
Huge upset, cost Cal there first ever #1 AP ranking, and Tedford's career never recovered. Cal Buddy was kicked out of the game by the third quarter and later got arrested for stealing a team golf cart and driving it down greek row. He was blacked out. I love my friends. -
Matt and Gio and Disco Dan
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Please let us know who these players are, so we can make fun of you laterAtomicDawg said:I agree that cp evaluates more than sark. Hopefully it pays off. I also see some guys in our class that I highly doubt that will ever contribute no matter who evaluated them to what end. Either way it will be interesting.
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tis the season for bumping old threads i guess, so in the spirit of the season:
@TTJ has this program on lockTTJ said:In short, it's about the "bottom" half of each recruiting class.
As LOI day approaches, we will all be reading about "key signees" -- the couple of marquee, four- or five-guys who headline each P12 school's recruiting class. Sarkisian's classes always looked good by this measure: If you don't look beyond the "top" three or four guys in each class, his classes seemed pretty impressive. There certainly seemed to be more star power than in Willingham's classes.
Of course, this superficial view hid the lousy, desperate, "Plan B" guys who'd be grabbed in the eleventh hour to fill out these classes when most of the big names would turn UW down. It also hid the guys who were mis-evaluated, mostly as a result of laziness. (Recall Goncharoff's remark about the main difference between CP's staff and SS's: Petersen's guys wanted whole game films, not just highlight reels.)
Once you cut through the "OKG" bullshit, CP's personnel philsophy comes down to two things: (1) Scouting each recruit carefully and independently; and (2) developing each existing player such that he makes an incrementally larger contribution each year he's with the program. This approach leads to fewer "misses" and greater long-term contributions from the "bottom" half of each recruiting class.
Recruiting "misses" are deadly in this business. Any program that has lived through scholarhip restrictions knows that 85 ain't that many, and that the margin for error is small. Every time you offer a scholarship to the wrong guy, it creates a hole in your depth chart that will eventually have to get filled by some unprepared true frosh down the road. Sark was the master of "misses," as the recent survey reminds us. Everytime a true frosh gets forced onto the field too early, it leads to game-costing mistakes, career-ending injuries, and -- you guessed it -- more future holes in the depth chart that have to get filled. It's a vicious cycle, which CP must -- and I believe will -- eventually reverse. But it will take time.
Looking back in hindsight, how many true frosh can you recall playing at UW in a situation completely devoid of need? Kaufman and Bruener both played as true frosh on the '91 team, despite quality upperclassmen in their position groups. Rich Alexis earned his way onto the field in '00, despite a deep bench of veteran RBs. There is probably a small handful of other examples where UW true frosh absolutely forced their way past quality veterans and onto the field. But need is nearly always the driving force behind each decision to take off a redshirt, from Marques Tuiasosopo to Paul Arnold to Reggie Williams, on down to Shaq, ASJ, and String. Lawyer Milloy benefitted from a redshirt, and Budda Baker would have too. Honestly, what player *isn't* better at age 23 than at age 19?
I believe CP will win big at UW by missing on fewer recruits, developing the guys he has, and gradually playing fewer and fewer true freshmen. The average age of our starting lineup will eventually go way up. It will take a few years, but unlike the last guy CP is here for the long haul. And this patient, grown-up approach will pay huge dividends down the road. -
Aw shucks.Gladstone said: -
@TTJ's always been one of my favorite, classy terrorists.Gladstone said:tis the season for bumping old threads i guess, so in the spirit of the season:
@TTJ has this program on lockTTJ said:In short, it's about the "bottom" half of each recruiting class.
As LOI day approaches, we will all be reading about "key signees" -- the couple of marquee, four- or five-guys who headline each P12 school's recruiting class. Sarkisian's classes always looked good by this measure: If you don't look beyond the "top" three or four guys in each class, his classes seemed pretty impressive. There certainly seemed to be more star power than in Willingham's classes.
Of course, this superficial view hid the lousy, desperate, "Plan B" guys who'd be grabbed in the eleventh hour to fill out these classes when most of the big names would turn UW down. It also hid the guys who were mis-evaluated, mostly as a result of laziness. (Recall Goncharoff's remark about the main difference between CP's staff and SS's: Petersen's guys wanted whole game films, not just highlight reels.)
Once you cut through the "OKG" bullshit, CP's personnel philsophy comes down to two things: (1) Scouting each recruit carefully and independently; and (2) developing each existing player such that he makes an incrementally larger contribution each year he's with the program. This approach leads to fewer "misses" and greater long-term contributions from the "bottom" half of each recruiting class.
Recruiting "misses" are deadly in this business. Any program that has lived through scholarhip restrictions knows that 85 ain't that many, and that the margin for error is small. Every time you offer a scholarship to the wrong guy, it creates a hole in your depth chart that will eventually have to get filled by some unprepared true frosh down the road. Sark was the master of "misses," as the recent survey reminds us. Everytime a true frosh gets forced onto the field too early, it leads to game-costing mistakes, career-ending injuries, and -- you guessed it -- more future holes in the depth chart that have to get filled. It's a vicious cycle, which CP must -- and I believe will -- eventually reverse. But it will take time.
Looking back in hindsight, how many true frosh can you recall playing at UW in a situation completely devoid of need? Kaufman and Bruener both played as true frosh on the '91 team, despite quality upperclassmen in their position groups. Rich Alexis earned his way onto the field in '00, despite a deep bench of veteran RBs. There is probably a small handful of other examples where UW true frosh absolutely forced their way past quality veterans and onto the field. But need is nearly always the driving force behind each decision to take off a redshirt, from Marques Tuiasosopo to Paul Arnold to Reggie Williams, on down to Shaq, ASJ, and String. Lawyer Milloy benefitted from a redshirt, and Budda Baker would have too. Honestly, what player *isn't* better at age 23 than at age 19?
I believe CP will win big at UW by missing on fewer recruits, developing the guys he has, and gradually playing fewer and fewer true freshmen. The average age of our starting lineup will eventually go way up. It will take a few years, but unlike the last guy CP is here for the long haul. And this patient, grown-up approach will pay huge dividends down the road.
Oh and one of my favorite poaster's too! -
This really was a great thread.
We have seen these type of recruits from @TTJ post already paying dividends. In Pete's first transition class he took the best guys he had committed at Boise (Gaines, Pettis, Sample, Dissly, Jaylen Johnson, etc) and simply brought them to UW. He added Budda, McGary, and Sidney Jones, JoJo McIntosh and built the core of this team in a transition class of a mediocre program.
It shows his eye for talent and evaluation. It's arguably his best skill as a coach. It's hard to say that though because it goes hand in hand with player development.
They were not heralded recruits but he didn't have time to get a bunch of those guys. That class was fucking huge to getting this thing rolling and worthy of a thread of its own.
It's harder to tell for the past two classes because it's too early to judge a lot of guys, but some lower ranked recruits like Beavers, BBK, Harris, and Fuller are already paying dividends. -
Pretty sure Keith Hayward did that.RoadDawg55 said:This really was a great thread.
We have seen these type of recruits from @TTJ post already paying dividends. In Pete's first transition class he took the best guys he had committed at Boise (Gaines, Pettis, Sample, Dissly, Jaylen Johnson, etc) and simply brought them to UW. He added Budda, McGary, and Sidney Jones, JoJo McIntosh and built the core of this team in a transition class of a mediocre program.
It shows his eye for talent and evaluation. It's arguably his best skill as a coach. It's hard to say that though because it goes hand in hand with player development.
They were not heralded recruits but he didn't have time to get a bunch of those guys. That class was fucking huge to getting this thing rolling and worthy of a thread of its own.
It's harder to tell for the past two classes because it's too early to judge a lot of guys, but some lower ranked recruits like Beavers, BBK, Harris, and Fuller are already paying dividends.
