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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,051 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    LaZoris said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    I don't see Mariota failing. He may not be a star, but he has too much talent and too good of work ethic to completely fail. At minimum he will be an above average QB.

    He's really fast and mostly accurate. With reps he will learn how to be an NFL QB.

    Please name the above avg QB's in the NFL. Maybe 10-12 of them? How long until Mariota gets there? Way, way better odds he never becomes a above avg QB.
    You don't think he can get to the Kaepernick or Newton level?
    Nope. Both are bigger and stronger with better arms
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,398
    The problem I see with Mariota is that he's never really had to check down to his 3rd or 4th WR. Oregon's scheme is simply not NFL friendly in that it's one (maaaybe two) read and throw or run around and hope to find a WR open.

    Another problem is that tOSU showed what happens when a team has a very good and deep front 7, they can shut down the running game. On most Oregon drives, tOSU was not biting on the play-action fake because they weren't really worried about Tyner / Freeman and Mariota was getting run down most of the time and hit rather than being able to run out of bounds like he did against most teams to avoid contact.

    NFL execs (and me in my mom's basement) want to know, how will Mariota do when he's forced to stay in the pocket and find his 3rd read without being able to lean on the scheme / PA passing game so much?

    As for Newton and Kaepernick, Newton has been banged up a few times and the shine has started to come off Kaepernick. According to this simple measure, they are both below average QB rating wise in the NFL (just below Mark Sanchez and just above journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick):

    espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
    RoadDawg55 said:

    I don't see Mariota failing. He may not be a star, but he has too much talent and too good of work ethic to completely fail. At minimum he will be an above average QB.

    He's really fast and mostly accurate. With reps he will learn how to be an NFL QB.

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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    RaceBannon said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    LaZoris said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    I don't see Mariota failing. He may not be a star, but he has too much talent and too good of work ethic to completely fail. At minimum he will be an above average QB.

    He's really fast and mostly accurate. With reps he will learn how to be an NFL QB.

    Please name the above avg QB's in the NFL. Maybe 10-12 of them? How long until Mariota gets there? Way, way better odds he never becomes a above avg QB.
    You don't think he can get to the Kaepernick or Newton level?
    Nope. Both are bigger and stronger with better arms
    Mariota is more accurate than either were coming out of college. I don't think arm strength is an issue for Mariota.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,683 Swaye's Wigwam
    I don't think he played bad last night, and I dont think the odds of him being an nfl disappointment are any better than most highly touted qbs. I know fuck-all though.

    Oregon was outgunned by a bigger, faster, more pissed off gang of football bullies. It was fucking Urban Legend on the other sideline guys. The fucking guy made Utah into a dominant team. It's not the qb's fault all the time.
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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,299
    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    Southerndawg said:

    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    A project that will be picked first in the draft.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Southerndawg said:

    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    A project that will be picked first in the draft.
    Get paid, get out of the Pac-12, and faretheewell
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    Citrus4Troogs said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    Peoplein the sports world are starting to ponder if Mariota take the Matt Leinart route. (reasons, reasons, reasons) We shall see.

    I'm 81% sure that Matt Leinart stayed for his 5th year because he was able to conveniently mask the fact that he needed some sort of surgery (knee I think) which would have been discovered at combine physicals and affected his draft status with a bunch of "rah, rah, staying in skool is awesome!" crap. Just ask Matt Barkley or Jake Lockner about the financial wisdom of waiting an extra year to enter the draft when perfectly healthy.

    It turns out that the "hang out a year and fuck coeds" part of Matt's plan ended up working out a little too well, just ask Blake Griffin

    So what you are saying is that Bryn Cameron is doing a good job of showing how you can parlay a women's college basketball scholarship into a mid 6-figure a year career?
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Southerndawg said:

    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    A project that will be picked first in the draft.
    Wouldn't be the first time that's happened
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    Marriota didn't play all that bad last night. His WR's dropped some critical passes. He was not the best player on the field as the 30 year tailback from Ohio State looked to be.

    Marriota > Winston. Can't have a rape culture qb in the nil.
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  • phineas
    phineas Member Posts: 4,732
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Southerndawg said:

    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    A project that will be picked first in the draft.
    Locker was #7 bro. Never forget
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    phineas said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Southerndawg said:

    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    A project that will be picked first in the draft.
    Locker was #7 bro. Never forget
    Blake Bortles went third. Teams reach on QB's almost every year.

    Another reason Mariota won't be a bust is that he's going into a fairly good situation. If he was going to Tennessee, he would be fucked. Tampa Bay has some talent on offense (V. Jackson, Evans, ASJ, Martin, Mankins). Their defense has McCoy and David. Lovie Smith might not be a great coach, but he's not a total fucktard either. Tampa Bay plays in what was the worst conference in the NFL. Carolina is the only decent defense in it.
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  • phineas
    phineas Member Posts: 4,732
    I hope mariota succeeds. I like him. I just feel like hes going to get blown up. I dont look too deeply into things like others here (would have never noticed the one read deal peple are mentioning) but stuff like that is a concern. But if he keeps his nose in the playbook and is the first guy there and last guy out, which he seems like that kinda kid, he could be good. Lets just hope he puts on some weight. He honestly looks exactly like me, and I can tell you, if I had patrick willis running full speed at me id duck, cover, take my helmet off and walk straight home.
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  • biak1
    biak1 Member Posts: 4,237
    I hate Mariota just so you can all be wrong.
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,141
    Everyone is overanalyzing this shit. If he goes to a stubborn franchise where they try to turn him into a pocket passer, he will fail. If he goes somewhere where he can play for a smart OC like Bevell in Seattle who knows how to use his strengths and mask his deficiencies, he will do well.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    edited January 2015
    phineas said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Southerndawg said:

    HuskyJW said:

    The only thing Mariota is gonna struggle with..... will he be in Pro Bowl year 4 or year 5.

    Maybe in the CFL. Mariota is a project in the NFL, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    A project that will be picked first in the draft.
    Locker was #7 bro. Never forget
    Alex Smith, Tim Couch and JaMarcus Russell were all #1
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    He's Colin Kaepernick. Great athlete, limited as a pure passer.
    If I were a Tampa bay fan compared to what they have now I would take that
    Jameis will be better early in his career. But if 5 years down the road Marietta can improve his accuracy and a lot of the other things that come with passing in the pocket he can be really good
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  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,298 Standard Supporter
    fivehundredmileDAWG said:

    The Oregon offense is one read and go ...

    fucking nonsense. woosh?
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,398
    But if running QBs who are bigger like Cam Newton and Jake Locker have been repeatedly banged up in their first 5 years in the league, how will Mariota hold up?

    Johnny Manziel might be the best comparison...he played in a very similar offense and while Mariota is a few inches taller, he's more slight of build like Manziel than Newton (massive) and Locker (LB size).
    dhdawg said:

    He's Colin Kaepernick. Great athlete, limited as a pure passer.
    If I were a Tampa bay fan compared to what they have now I would take that
    Jameis will be better early in his career. But if 5 years down the road Marietta can improve his accuracy and a lot of the other things that come with passing in the pocket he can be really good

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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,398
    Depends on the play. Sometimes it's one read, sometimes it's two reads, but it didn't seem like he was often asked to make 3 or 4 reads, at least while in the pocket. Do you recall the the long TD pass from Mariota to Marshall in their first possession after the half? Very well designed (at halftime, they noticed tOSU's safety was biting on the first middle route so they ran Marshall behind / after him) and it was essentially one read.

    I can't recall Mariota ever taking a 5 or 7 step drop from under center and progressing through 3 reads (especially without taking off running). So what will probably give some NFL execs some pause is how Oregon HUNH read-option scheme created big throwing windows against most teams and unlike Winston, he didn't often to stand tall with the pocket collapsing and throw big-time NFL routes since he could often take off running with his great acceleration / speed.

    Another thing is that tOSU's deep and talented DL had the upper-hand vs. Oregon's OL (Jake Fisher's draft-stock probably took a hit) and it sure looked like it affected his accuracy (throwing high and throwing wide)...his completion percentage was 4 points lower than his season average and YPA was 1 yard lower. So if he goes to a team with a poor or even subpar OL, he will probably struggle to adjust, at least compared to someone like Winston.

    dtd said:

    fivehundredmileDAWG said:

    The Oregon offense is one read and go ...

    fucking nonsense. woosh?
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    dhdawg said:

    He's Colin Kaepernick. Great athlete, limited as a pure passer.
    If I were a Tampa bay fan compared to what they have now I would take that
    Jameis will be better early in his career. But if 5 years down the road Marietta can improve his accuracy and a lot of the other things that come with passing in the pocket he can be really good

    Winston isn't that good. He was significantly aided in his Heisman year by having the best WR's in the country. 17 INT's this season.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    HFNY said:

    But if running QBs who are bigger like Cam Newton and Jake Locker have been repeatedly banged up in their first 5 years in the league, how will Mariota hold up?

    Johnny Manziel might be the best comparison...he played in a very similar offense and while Mariota is a few inches taller, he's more slight of build like Manziel than Newton (massive) and Locker (LB size).

    dhdawg said:

    He's Colin Kaepernick. Great athlete, limited as a pure passer.
    If I were a Tampa bay fan compared to what they have now I would take that
    Jameis will be better early in his career. But if 5 years down the road Marietta can improve his accuracy and a lot of the other things that come with passing in the pocket he can be really good

    Cam Newton has been fairly healthy, Kaepernick, Luck (who runs fairly often) and Wilson have played every game since they became the starter.
    Locker is injury prone (was at UW as well) and rarely do you see a QB worse at avoiding contact when running (RGIII is in that category as well)
    I think Mariotta can hold up just fine
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