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Peterman - worst power 5 coach

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  • claycha
    claycha Member Posts: 662
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Original title didn't troll hard enough, had to change it up?
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    edited January 2015

    Oh fer fuck sakes here we go. In 3-4 more years he'll be the best so fuck you punto

    By the nature of the matrix it would not be possible for Peterman to be the best in this study. UW recruits at too high of a level. But your poont stands.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Oh fer fuck sakes here we go. In 3-4 more years he'll be the best so fuck you punto

    While I want to agree with you, you said the same thing about Sark, and therefore you cannot be trusted.

    #BlindSquirrel
  • Sarkingham
    Sarkingham Member Posts: 303
    So CFB Matrix thinks UW should've gone 12-2? His sweatpants were tighter than anyone here.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited January 2015
    I like how this poll measure a coaches performance to his talent on the roster, however, it doesn't account for the coach recruiting those great players to begin with.

    So if you recruit a bunch of 5 star guys, and you finish the year 12-1, you're going to get a lower rank than a 3-8 coach because you had better players? Shouldn't you get credit for bringing in the better players in the first place?

    College coaching is about 80% game planning, in-game adjustments, playcalling, etc. But I'd argue that there is a very important 20% that requires you to have talent as well. Urban Meyer could coach Kentucky next season, and he might get them to 8-9 wins, but without the necessary talent, he isn't close to sniffing a SEC title.

  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    edited January 2015
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646

    I like how this poll measure a coaches performance to his talent on the roster, however, it doesn't account for the coach recruiting those great players to begin with.

    So if you recruit a bunch of 5 star guys, and you finish the year 12-1, you're going to get a lower rank than a 3-8 coach because you had better players? Shouldn't you get credit for bringing in the better players in the first place?

    College coaching is about 80% game planning, in-game adjustments, playcalling, etc. But I'd argue that there is a very important 20% that requires you to have talent as well. Urban Meyer could coach Kentucky next season, and he might get them to 8-9 wins, but without the necessary talent, he isn't close to sniffing a SEC title.

    Yup, it is naturally flawed. He actually has a great formula for picking records before the season is even close to starting. But this one for coach effect is naturally flawed because the worst recruiters are rewarded and the best recruiters are punished.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127

    All this study does is take into account recruiting rankings of the teams. UW outrecruited 4 teams over the previous 4 years that they lost to this season, therefore the -4 Coach Effect.

    That is surprising actually. I thought Oregon, Stanford, and UCLA had all recruited better?
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559

    According to that matrix, Mike Leach is the 10th best coach in the country.

    I can't stop laughing.

    I guess the developer doesn't watch the red-zone channel
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club

    All this study does is take into account recruiting rankings of the teams. UW outrecruited 4 teams over the previous 4 years that they lost to this season, therefore the -4 Coach Effect.

    That is surprising actually. I thought Oregon, Stanford, and UCLA had all recruited better?
    They did.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Oh fer fuck sakes here we go. In 3-4 more years he'll be the best so fuck you punto

    l-o-l
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    I messed up, CFBmatrix was doogin big time based off of only their numbers... Coach Effect is based on loosing games you were predicted to win, based on talent and field advantage combined. Here is what they said prior to the season about UW:

    "They have a higher talent ranking than ten of the teams on their schedule for a talent only baseline record of 10-3. Adjust up 2 games for home wins versus Stanford and UCLA and the record is 12-1. Down -1 games for a new head coach and have 11-2 with my favorite middle number at 10.5."

    So the -4 comes from loosing to Stanford, ASU, UCLA and Arizona.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    I messed up, CFBmatrix was doogin big time based off of only their numbers... Coach Effect is based on loosing games you were predicted to win, based on talent and field advantage combined. Here is what they said prior to the season about UW:

    "They have a higher talent ranking than ten of the teams on their schedule for a talent only baseline record of 10-3. Adjust up 2 games for home wins versus Stanford and UCLA and the record is 12-1. Down -1 games for a new head coach and have 11-2 with my favorite middle number at 10.5."

    So the -4 comes from loosing to Stanford, ASU, UCLA and Arizona.

    And really it's -2.5 off of his own prediction.

    Still bad. But not worst in the nation.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025

    According to that matrix, Mike Leach is the 10th best coach in the country.

    I can't stop laughing.

    That is so FUCKINGLY STUPID, I can't even abbreviate FUCKINGLY STUPID.

  • Canard
    Canard Member Posts: 504
    Any analysis that looks at 3 star Mariota as lower on paper than four star miley is fucktarded.

    That's the only way this guy is doing a "talent analysis," by dry star counting.

    Anyone with even one functional eyeball on Miley the season before he was named starter knew that the young noodle arm who had the throwing motion and slow delivery of a trebuchet, but without the zip and range, was taking you nowhere good, or certainly not to 10+/- 1 wins.

    Well, at least I was laughing at the sweatpants boners around here. You'll have to acquit yourself if you were in the Great Purple Circle Jerk of 2014.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    Canard said:

    Any analysis that looks at 3 star Mariota as lower on paper than four star miley is fucktarded.

    That's the only way this guy is doing a "talent analysis," by dry star counting.

    Anyone with even one functional eyeball on Miley the season before he was named starter knew that the young noodle arm who had the throwing motion and slow delivery of a trebuchet, but without the zip and range, was taking you nowhere good, or certainly not to 10+/- 1 wins.

    Well, at least I was laughing at the sweatpants boners around here. You'll have to acquit yourself if you were in the Great Purple Circle Jerk of 2014.

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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Awesomed for "Great Purple Circle Jerk of 2014"

    going into the rotation
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
    The Great Purple Circle Jerk is much older than 2014

    hth
  • priapism
    priapism Member Posts: 2,297
    Yes, UW should be finishing in the top 5 of the Pac every year with this decent talent...battling ASU for 4th.
  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,261 Standard Supporter

    Oh fer fuck sakes here we go. In 3-4 more years he'll be the best so fuck you punto

    puntoing is winning
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Fuck metrics Fuck matrices Fuck everybody

    8-6 bitches!!!1
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    PurpleJ said:

    Fuck metrics Fuck matrices Fuck everybody

    8-6 bitches!!!1

    Perhaps you can take consolation in the fact that at least you'll be able to root for the Tide.
  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    A lot of this analysis is also associating luck with coaching. Was it incredible coaching that led to Rich Rod beating Cal or UW this year? Or the buzz-cut midget beating SC? No.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    Fuck metrics Fuck matrices Fuck everybody

    8-6 bitches!!!1

    Perhaps you can take consolation in the fact that at least you'll be able to root for the Tide.
    Is there a bronze medal game?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club

    A lot of this analysis is also associating luck with coaching. Was it incredible coaching that led to Rich Rod beating Cal or UW this year? Or the buzz-cut midget beating SC? No.

    I heard the great Rick Rod on the radio today. He asked how his QB is. Rich says he still hasn't talked to him since the bowl game because he's still pissed at him. Noted that he probably should see how he is.