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Clemson/Oklahoma unofficial thread
GrundleStiltzkin
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Okie Original Formula looks horrible. That is all.
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Stoops needs to move on, I bet Sooner fans hate him by now.
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Cole Stoudt is a fucking moron. With Watson, Clemson is a top-10 team, with Stoudt they are a top-10 team with Cyler Miles at QB.
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OU fanboards melting down brightens my day
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Da fuq was that my little pony on sideline?
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Big Game Bob at his best. Really had 'em up for the game...
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Im hearing Big12 football is really good.
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The Oklahoma people I've talked to in the last few months feel that Stoops is about where Mackie Mack Brown was about 5 years ago.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Stoops needs to move on, I bet Sooner fans hate him by now.
Stoops is about to start entering into some dead man walking territory.
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I only care about one team in the Big 12 ... the rest of them can piss off.BallSacked said:Im hearing Big12 football is really good.
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Oklahoma wanted Bama
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Water is wet statement of the day.BallSacked said:Im hearing Big12 football is really good.
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Don James in the late 80's. Stoops is a premier coach.Tequilla said:
The Oklahoma people I've talked to in the last few months feel that Stoops is about where Mackie Mack Brown was about 5 years ago.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Stoops needs to move on, I bet Sooner fans hate him by now.
Stoops is about to start entering into some dead man walking territory.
They look 100% disinterested in this game. -
Not saying that Stoops will be fired after this game ... not even close.RoadDawg55 said:
Don James in the late 80's. Stoops is a premier coach.Tequilla said:
The Oklahoma people I've talked to in the last few months feel that Stoops is about where Mackie Mack Brown was about 5 years ago.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Stoops needs to move on, I bet Sooner fans hate him by now.
Stoops is about to start entering into some dead man walking territory.
They look 100% disinterested in this game.
But I'm not sure I see him winning the Big 12 next year.
I could see him continuing down the Mack Brown path of decent, but mediocre years by the standards that they've set and be out in 3-5 years.
The defense looks fucking pitiful under the Wrong Stoops.
I've got the popcorn ready ... nothing as a TCU alum scares me right now about Oklahoma. -
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And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football. -
Stoops is top notch. It's amazing how shortsighted the football world is. He popped off, won a natty, beat sabans bama in a bcs bowl, and consistently has been in the conversation.
He got beat by petresend in arguably the most epic improbable 2 play stretch in cfb history in 06. He got plungered by Carroll in his prime. Get over it. -
He got plungered at times from 85-89. Who gives a shit whether it was a bowl game or conference game? It was just last year that Stoops beat Saban's ass.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
They had a shitty season. It's not difficult to see why. They started the year top 5 in every poll. They lost a couple games and lost to their rival in fucktarded fashion. They didn't show up to a dreckfest bowl.
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run. -
Is this a football game or death by firing squad?
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Tequilla, i generally respect your insight and take the time to read your mostly tl;dr posts, but if you've been on a team, you'd know how significant sports psychology plays a factor. Stoops failed tonight, no doubt, but this game is out of his hands.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
Sometimes you get your ass beat and it compiles. This same Clemson staff got plungered by west Virginia 70-33 in a bcs bowl 2 years ago.
The smart money is on the guys who keep you in the conversation consistently and then you pray your 18-22 year olds get lucky and make plays to see you through.
Same logic has people running off Harbaugh when he's a top 3 coach in the world behind belIichek and carroll. -
Oklahomo will be fine. They had an 8-4 season about 10 years ago and probably some others under Stoops. Oregon will have one of those eventually, hopefully sooner than later.
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I absolutely get what you're saying.Doogles said:
Tequilla, i generally respect your insight and take the time to read your mostly tl;dr posts, but if you've been on a team, you'd know how significant sports psychology plays a factor. Stoops failed tonight, no doubt, but this game is out of his hands.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
Sometimes you get your ass beat and it compiles. This same Clemson staff got plungered by west Virginia 70-33 in a bcs bowl 2 years ago.
The smart money is on the guys who keep you in the conversation consistently and then you pray your 18-22 year olds get lucky and make plays to see you through.
Same logic has people running off Harbaugh when he's a top 3 coach in the world behind belIichek and carroll.
I guess what I'm saying is that at this point, if I was buying or selling Oklahoma football as a stock for the next 3-5 years, I would be selling the stock. In the last 6 years, Stoops has only had 1 1-loss season in the Big 12. The general momentum of the program is going in the wrong direction and the "mojo" in that program seems to be turning a bit.
I'm not saying that I would fire Stoops at this point. But I would also be monitoring the situation very closely in the next few years. Stoops has just completed his 16th year at Oklahoma. I'm not saying that it is happening here, but sometimes it's human to start getting a bit complacent and need new challenges. -
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back.
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Christ. You make some fucking stupid arguments. You are an analytical guy, but the biggest fucking homer on these boards. I won't call you a doog or froog because you actually have standards, but get a fucking grip. That was in the MWC. Next you will be telling me Petersen is better than Saban because he has a higher winning percentage.Tequilla said:
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back.
You should be happy with your coach. Gary Patterson is a good one. I will be surprised if TCU becomes the Big 12 power over Texas and Oklahoma. Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State all had their worst seasons in years. I would bet any amount TCU won't win 43 games over a four year period. I'm sure there is a bookie out there who will happily take your money. -
Switzer had a run of pretty cold years in the early 80s as well.
I don't think Stoops is going to crash and burn, but I also don't think he's going to ever get back to where he was from 2000 - 2005 either without some significant changes. TCU and Baylor have innovative offenses, and Texas is a sleeping giant at the moment that is building up big time recruiting momentum.
I think Stoops needs to tinker with his program model a bit and that doesn't include firing Venables, the Clemson DC, to hire your own brother as DC. How about that Karma! -
Except stoops did that in an actual conferenceTequilla said:
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back. -
That wasn't part of the original comment from RD ... he made a fucktarded comment, got called on it, and now is trying to play the "play in a real conference" attribute to it. Talk about moving the goal posts.dhdawg said:
Except stoops did that in an actual conferenceTequilla said:
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back. -
You're an idiot and outdid Aubbie this year when it came to moving goalposts. Obviously I meant you better hope and pray TCU can match that kind of success in the Big 12. I think everyone but you understood that.Tequilla said:
That wasn't part of the original comment from RD ... he made a fucktarded comment, got called on it, and now is trying to play the "play in a real conference" attribute to it. Talk about moving the goal posts.dhdawg said:
Except stoops did that in an actual conferenceTequilla said:
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back. -
RD,
Fully understand the conference differences.
Also keep in mind that the Mountain West during that period was a little better as it had both Utah and BYU in the conference. It wasn't a Power 5 conference, but also wasn't a dreck either.
During that 4 year period ('08-'11) they won games against Power 5 teams: Stanford ('08), @ Virginia ('09), @ Clemson ('09), Oregon St ('10), Baylor ('10), and Wisconsin ('10). Add to that 2 wins over Boise over that time period as well.
The gaps in TCU under Patterson have been very explainable ... I don't anticipate many more gaps going forward. -
No need to get so defensive. TCU has been a good program under Patterson. They aren't going to win 43 over 4 years in the Big 12 though. That's nothing to sneeze at. Those were somewhat down years for Stoops too.Tequilla said:RD,
Fully understand the conference differences.
Also keep in mind that the Mountain West during that period was a little better as it had both Utah and BYU in the conference. It wasn't a Power 5 conference, but also wasn't a dreck either.
During that 4 year period ('08-'11) they won games against Power 5 teams: Stanford ('08), @ Virginia ('09), @ Clemson ('09), Oregon St ('10), Baylor ('10), and Wisconsin ('10). Add to that 2 wins over Boise over that time period as well.
The gaps in TCU under Patterson have been very explainable ... I don't anticipate many more gaps going forward. -
How did I move the goal posts?RoadDawg55 said:
You're an idiot and outdid Aubbie this year when it came to moving goalposts. Obviously I meant you better hope and pray TCU can match that kind of success in the Big 12. I think everyone but you understood that.Tequilla said:
That wasn't part of the original comment from RD ... he made a fucktarded comment, got called on it, and now is trying to play the "play in a real conference" attribute to it. Talk about moving the goal posts.dhdawg said:
Except stoops did that in an actual conferenceTequilla said:
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back.
I said that the over/under for wins for this team this year was 10.5 and said that I'd be optimistic and go with 11 wins. I thought 12 was realistic if everything went perfectly.
The base assumption that I had was that we'd get competent QB play at the Price level to slightly better. That clearly didn't play out.
Get QB play at that level and we win the Stanford game, win the Arizona game, and probably win the ASU game. There's your 11 wins.
If I moved the goal posts (as you say), it's because there's nothing that really surprised me this year outside of the QB play - which wasn't good enough for most of the season. The biggest difference between me and many others was that I wasn't as quick to throw the QB problems on the current coaching staff as others wanted to. If moving the goal posts is understanding the difference between what I thought was possible versus what happened and not wanting to get the pitch fork out as a result, then I'm guilty. But it's not moving the goal posts to understand what happened and then understand where reality and your baseline assumptions diverged from each other.
Sure, in hindsight I would have preferred to put us at 9 or 10 wins. But I thought that this team had 11 win talent and I think the results this year proved that to be the case. 8-5 was about as bad as this year could have gone. I'm still very bullish about what I'm seeing out of this program and the implications going forward. -
You don't need to post this for the 23rd time.Tequilla said:
How did I move the goal posts?RoadDawg55 said:
You're an idiot and outdid Aubbie this year when it came to moving goalposts. Obviously I meant you better hope and pray TCU can match that kind of success in the Big 12. I think everyone but you understood that.Tequilla said:
That wasn't part of the original comment from RD ... he made a fucktarded comment, got called on it, and now is trying to play the "play in a real conference" attribute to it. Talk about moving the goal posts.dhdawg said:
Except stoops did that in an actual conferenceTequilla said:
TCU had a stretch from '08 to '11 of 11, 12, 13, and 11 wins.RoadDawg55 said:
12,10,10,11 wins the last four seasons for Oklahoma. As a TCU fan, you should hope and pray to have that kind of run.Tequilla said:@RoadDawg55
And at what point did Don James EVER lay this big of an egg in a bowl game?
This game is a downright embarrassment for Oklahoma Football.
In the 13 years from '02 to '14, Patterson's won 10+ games 9 of those 13 years.
I'm perfectly happy with my coach. He's faced some adversity and responded in spades.
I also fully expect that it will be 10 out of 14 years next year since they bring just about everybody back.
I said that the over/under for wins for this team this year was 10.5 and said that I'd be optimistic and go with 11 wins. I thought 12 was realistic if everything went perfectly.
The base assumption that I had was that we'd get competent QB play at the Price level to slightly better. That clearly didn't play out.
Get QB play at that level and we win the Stanford game, win the Arizona game, and probably win the ASU game. There's your 11 wins.
If I moved the goal posts (as you say), it's because there's nothing that really surprised me this year outside of the QB play - which wasn't good enough for most of the season. The biggest difference between me and many others was that I wasn't as quick to throw the QB problems on the current coaching staff as others wanted to. If moving the goal posts is understanding the difference between what I thought was possible versus what happened and not wanting to get the pitch fork out as a result, then I'm guilty. But it's not moving the goal posts to understand what happened and then understand where reality and your baseline assumptions diverged from each other.
Sure, in hindsight I would have preferred to put us at 9 or 10 wins. But I thought that this team had 11 win talent and I think the results this year proved that to be the case. 8-5 was about as bad as this year could have gone. I'm still very bullish about what I'm seeing out of this program and the implications going forward.
