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Puppy has never made a stupid post, and id agree if I ever did
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Disagree.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Puppy has never made a stupid post, and id agree if I ever did
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I'm a bit biased because I hate ASU but they are no sleeping giant. They've won 1 major bowl game in the last 40 years. Graham has proven to be a very good coach but I doubt he stays there beyond 3-4 more years and he could have to replace his OC at some point. If you break it down, the offense not the defense is where they've been really good and really outperformed the talent level.
While talent is increasing in Arizona, neither school is keeping enough talent in state. Most people who live there are transplants or old people and have few ties to the region. Also, I don't think the weather is an advantage from a football standpoint. Practicing and training in 90 degree weather most of the year is a bitch. These reasons are why both schools fail to keep most of the talent in state, even when they are doing well like now. The vast majority of top 10 recruits last year left the state.
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The Pac-12 had ONE team finish with less than three losses. This ain't a deep conference, it's Oregon and the 11 dwarves.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Good post Billy but we've been saying the same sleeping giant bullshit about ASU since 1987. Yet they are good enough for a rose bowl every 4 or 5 years. I suspect more of the same. Especially now that the pac12 is so damn deep. Its a deeper conference t han the 14-team SEC, not good for a dynasty in the desert. Shit they arent even the best team in their own state.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:It looks like Graham isn't going anywhere for the time being.
This really annoying Duck who lived in Phoenix for a year or two used to talk about their wasted potential a few years ago and I sort of agreed with him. That's a relatively large metro area. There are always slutty girls a stone's throw away. The academic standards aren't high. They can plug in JUCO guys. SoCal (recruits) are close, and Texas isn't real far away.
With Graham and Sark at the Condoms, they can probably be a force for a few years. I'm not saying they'll be Oregon south (vomit at giving Oregon that kind of credit) or SC during their top years, but I see them being a consistent top 25 team who can win 8-11 regular season games and maybe get lucky and get to the RB one year. It doesn't seem like they'll fade away and go 5-7 for two years like they usually do. Graham isn't going to let that happen.
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Haven't made the Rose Bowl in 18 years = good enough for a Rose Bowl every 4 or 5 years.RaceBannon said:
1986 and 1996 = every 5 yearspuppylove_sugarsteel said:
Good post Billy but we've been saying the same sleeping giant bullshit about ASU since 1987. Yet they are good enough for a rose bowl every 4 or 5 years. I suspect more of the same. Especially now that the pac12 is so damn deep. Its a deeper conference t han the 14-team SEC, not good for a dynasty in the desert. Shit they arent even the best team in their own state.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:It looks like Graham isn't going anywhere for the time being.
This really annoying Duck who lived in Phoenix for a year or two used to talk about their wasted potential a few years ago and I sort of agreed with him. That's a relatively large metro area. There are always slutty girls a stone's throw away. The academic standards aren't high. They can plug in JUCO guys. SoCal (recruits) are close, and Texas isn't real far away.
With Graham and Sark at the Condoms, they can probably be a force for a few years. I'm not saying they'll be Oregon south (vomit at giving Oregon that kind of credit) or SC during their top years, but I see them being a consistent top 25 team who can win 8-11 regular season games and maybe get lucky and get to the RB one year. It doesn't seem like they'll fade away and go 5-7 for two years like they usually do. Graham isn't going to let that happen.
The Pac 12 is deep? Seriously? It's one team
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Pretty fucktarded argument there. SEC had a WHOPPING two teams with less than 3 losses, and they have two more teams in their league and play one less Conference game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The Pac-12 had ONE team finish with less than three losses. This ain't a deep conference, it's Oregon and the 11 dwarves.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Good post Billy but we've been saying the same sleeping giant bullshit about ASU since 1987. Yet they are good enough for a rose bowl every 4 or 5 years. I suspect more of the same. Especially now that the pac12 is so damn deep. Its a deeper conference t han the 14-team SEC, not good for a dynasty in the desert. Shit they arent even the best team in their own state.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:It looks like Graham isn't going anywhere for the time being.
This really annoying Duck who lived in Phoenix for a year or two used to talk about their wasted potential a few years ago and I sort of agreed with him. That's a relatively large metro area. There are always slutty girls a stone's throw away. The academic standards aren't high. They can plug in JUCO guys. SoCal (recruits) are close, and Texas isn't real far away.
With Graham and Sark at the Condoms, they can probably be a force for a few years. I'm not saying they'll be Oregon south (vomit at giving Oregon that kind of credit) or SC during their top years, but I see them being a consistent top 25 team who can win 8-11 regular season games and maybe get lucky and get to the RB one year. It doesn't seem like they'll fade away and go 5-7 for two years like they usually do. Graham isn't going to let that happen.
SEC is better than the Pac12, enough said on that. But Pac12 clearly 2nd best conference in the country and its not really close.
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The XII had two teams finish with one loss and they all played nine conference games.BallSacked said:
Pretty fucktarded argument there. SEC had a WHOPPING two teams with less than 3 losses, and they have two more teams in their league and play one less Conference game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The Pac-12 had ONE team finish with less than three losses. This ain't a deep conference, it's Oregon and the 11 dwarves.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Good post Billy but we've been saying the same sleeping giant bullshit about ASU since 1987. Yet they are good enough for a rose bowl every 4 or 5 years. I suspect more of the same. Especially now that the pac12 is so damn deep. Its a deeper conference t han the 14-team SEC, not good for a dynasty in the desert. Shit they arent even the best team in their own state.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:It looks like Graham isn't going anywhere for the time being.
This really annoying Duck who lived in Phoenix for a year or two used to talk about their wasted potential a few years ago and I sort of agreed with him. That's a relatively large metro area. There are always slutty girls a stone's throw away. The academic standards aren't high. They can plug in JUCO guys. SoCal (recruits) are close, and Texas isn't real far away.
With Graham and Sark at the Condoms, they can probably be a force for a few years. I'm not saying they'll be Oregon south (vomit at giving Oregon that kind of credit) or SC during their top years, but I see them being a consistent top 25 team who can win 8-11 regular season games and maybe get lucky and get to the RB one year. It doesn't seem like they'll fade away and go 5-7 for two years like they usually do. Graham isn't going to let that happen.
SEC is better than the Pac12, enough said on that. But Pac12 clearly 2nd best conference in the country and its not really close.
They are clearly better than the Pac-12:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2014/conference/ (do the math on the two Pac-12 divisions) -
I'm not sure if your eyes as good as mine.
Your link shows the Pac12 South as a better conference than Big12. -
Yes, but the Pac-12 as a whole is worse than the Big 12.BallSacked said:I'm not sure if your eyes as good as mine.
Your link shows the Pac12 South as a better conference than Big12.
Math is hard. -
I guess it is when you are trying to argue 2 is easier than 4.
