I'm hearing that some big time boosters think Sark inherited a bare cupboard.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
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Sark's "bare cupboard team" was also his team that got beaten by 20+ the least
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You're right. The cupboard wasn't completely bare. That is why he was able to go from zero wins to 7 so quickly.
But remember walk-ons, true freshmen, and guys moved from other positions starting routinely? There is no doubt the shelves were not fully stocked then. They are now.
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My post was a partial cut and past from a rant a did a while back. Here is the rest:Auburndawg said:You're right. The cupboard wasn't completely bare. That is why he was able to go from zero wins to 7 so quickly.
But remember walk-ons, true freshmen, and guys moved from other positions starting routinely? There is no doubt the shelves were not fully stocked then. They are now.
None of that excuses bad coaching, but Sark did not inherit a team that was ready to compete for championships.
FUCK KIM WITH A RUSTY CHEESE GRATER.
Certainly, it wasn't championship talent, but there was talent to go to win 7 or 8 right away and by year 4 we should be at 10+ year 5 should be a Rose Bowl trip. FUCK KIM WITH A 90lb JACK HAMMER!
now wining 9 games is Special? FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! -
Yep, the team in 2009 was competitive in almost every game. They also played with more energy and confidence than any other Sark team. Why are they still getting plungered multiple times per season with supposedly a much more athletic team?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Sark's "bare cupboard team" was also his team that got beaten by 20+ the least
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Big time donors are chumps. They lined up like little kids in a grade school lunch line to pander two weaklings.
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Sark's best fucking team was the bare cupboard team. Fuck off and put this shit to rest. And the Uber's now aren't the same as those during the championship years. Those dudes ditched the program when Ty was hired, then retained!
The new boobers are a bunch of new-money dinks who have never tasted true success. This program is fucked until we win a rose bowl. Then maybe changes will be made more frequently when 7-6 happens. -
MikeDamone said:
Agree with one small exception.Auburndawg said:.
Certainly, it wasn't championship talent, but there was talent to go to win 7 or 8 right away and by year 4 we should be at 10+ year 5 should be a Rose Bowl trip.
Regarding year 4, I am willing to cut Sark some slack due to the extraordinary amount of injuries, especially on the Oline. But only some slack. We should have won at least 2 more games last year. Now we are deep enough (on paper) that no amount of injuries can serve as a legit excuse. -
@RickRedman (namedrop) is a dear old family friend who my dad has breakfast with every morning (not really). I'll get the non-Walla Walla blowhard perspective, and at the same time get some perspective by walking my cat away from the keybored.
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you guys have no idea the damage Jack Lockner did
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The destruction of UW football was always an inside job.
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I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl. -
He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.
So Ty was a good recruiter?
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Don't forget to include Price and Middleton in the All Bare-Cupboard Team. Goodwin, Boyce and Sylvester also hung around a while on NFL practice squads.
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Forcing Lockner into being a pocket passer to prove some NFL QB kingmaker fantasy was the stupidest fucking thing ever.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Imagine if Chip Kelly had Jack running his defense? -
We pretty much had a low-budget version of Lockner in 2009... Jeremiah Masoli.
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Could you imagine if Rick had done that with Tui? Instead of winning a Rose Bowl and popping off UW goes 7-5.ThomasFremont said:
Forcing Lockner into being a pocket passer to prove some NFL QB kingmaker fantasy was the stupidest fucking thing ever.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Imagine if Chip Kelly had Jack running his defense? -
Rick LIED about a job with the 49'ers. Plus he was in HOT WATER with the Coaches Association.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Could you imagine if Rick had done that with Tui? Instead of winning a Rose Bowl and popping off UW goes 7-5.ThomasFremont said:
Forcing Lockner into being a pocket passer to prove some NFL QB kingmaker fantasy was the stupidest fucking thing ever.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Imagine if Chip Kelly had Jack running his defense? -
Masoli played safety?AZDuck said:We pretty much had a low-budget version of Lockner in 2009... Jeremiah Masoli.
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He should have.
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New money without tasting success. If you have new money, you understand success. Mark Cuban disagrees with you.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Sark's best fucking team was the bare cupboard team. Fuck off and put this shit to rest. And the Uber's now aren't the same as those during the championship years. Those dudes ditched the program when Ty was hired, then retained!
The new boobers are a bunch of new-money dinks who have never tasted true success. This program is fucked until we win a rose bowl. Then maybe changes will be made more frequently when 7-6 happens. -
He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Ok, we won't know for a couple years which team had more nfl talent but I can't see this team having less talent. By the time they enter the draft here's where I think they'll end up
WR- kasen, 5th rounder
TE - Jenkins, 1st rounder
Lb/S - shaq, 1st rounder
Rb - Sankey, 4th rounder
Dt - shelton, 2nd rounder
S - Parker, 6th rounder
Lb - feeney, 5th rounder
Cb- peters, 2nd rounder
De - jamora, forgot his new name, 4th rounder
It's sad that there are no OL on this list..
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Please explain Peters, Kasen will go higher than 5th round IMO.droggins said:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Ok, we won't know for a couple years which team had more nfl talent but I can't see this team having less talent. By the time they enter the draft here's where I think they'll end up
WR- kasen, 5th rounder
TE - Jenkins, 1st rounder
Lb/S - shaq, 1st rounder
Rb - Sankey, 4th rounder
Dt - shelton, 2nd rounder
S - Parker, 6th rounder
Lb - feeney, 5th rounder
Cb- peters, 2nd rounder
De - jamora, forgot his new name, 4th rounder
It's sad that there are no OL on this list..
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Irregardless, the point is 5 years in, Sark has about the same talent as he did on day 1. ,He_Needs_More_Time said:
Please explain Peters, Kasen will go higher than 5th round IMO.droggins said:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Ok, we won't know for a couple years which team had more nfl talent but I can't see this team having less talent. By the time they enter the draft here's where I think they'll end up
WR- kasen, 5th rounder
TE - Jenkins, 1st rounder
Lb/S - shaq, 1st rounder
Rb - Sankey, 4th rounder
Dt - shelton, 2nd rounder
S - Parker, 6th rounder
Lb - feeney, 5th rounder
Cb- peters, 2nd rounder
De - jamora, forgot his new name, 4th rounder
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Which is funny considering Ty was the "lazy recruiter" and Sark is a "great recruiter" everyone says so! Yet bottom line both have about the same talent.MikeDamone said:
Irregardless, the point is 5 years in, Sark has about the same talent as he did on day 1. ,He_Needs_More_Time said:
Please explain Peters, Kasen will go higher than 5th round IMO.droggins said:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Ok, we won't know for a couple years which team had more nfl talent but I can't see this team having less talent. By the time they enter the draft here's where I think they'll end up
WR- kasen, 5th rounder
TE - Jenkins, 1st rounder
Lb/S - shaq, 1st rounder
Rb - Sankey, 4th rounder
Dt - shelton, 2nd rounder
S - Parker, 6th rounder
Lb - feeney, 5th rounder
Cb- peters, 2nd rounder
De - jamora, forgot his new name, 4th rounder
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Peters is always around the ball except when he bites on the double moves. He has great hands. I think he's going to rack up interceptions that can't go unnoticed. CBs out there with hands and "ball hawking" ability are rare. Although he must stop getting burned on the double moves. And I think he will.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Please explain Peters, Kasen will go higher than 5th round IMO.droggins said:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I bet that team has more NFL players on it than this current team. It's pretty damn close.MikeDamone said:That's the attitude that justifies Sark really only in he second year. I can see the common doog believing this, but when the ubers and wanna be pretend ubers believ this shit, we are fucked even more.
Allow me to remind everyone Sark's bare cupboard one more time:
Here are some of the "Bare Cupboard" 2009 key returning players
Jake Locker (8th pick first round)
Chris Polk (Legit top 5 back in the history of UW, maybe even #2)
Nate Williams (Not drafted but invited to NFL camps)
Donald Butler ( 3rd Round draft pick)
Devin Aguilar (signed as a free agent)
Jermaine Kearse (signed as a free agent)
Erik Folk (signed as a free agent)
Mason Foster (3rd Round draft pick)
Senio Kelemete (4th Round draft pick)
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim (3rd Round draft pick)
Alameda Ta'amu (4th Round draft pick)
Plus there were a number of pretty solid D1 players.
Damone is right, if we had a real coach and not some guy learning on the job that first year UW is a bowl team. Year two the real coach probably realizes Jack can only run and can't throw and would utilize that plus Polk from the get go.
By year four the plunger rapings would have stopped, so would the piss poor road performances and we'd be ranked right now. We'd also be able to say with a straight face we expect a Rose Bowl.
Ok, we won't know for a couple years which team had more nfl talent but I can't see this team having less talent. By the time they enter the draft here's where I think they'll end up
WR- kasen, 5th rounder
TE - Jenkins, 1st rounder
Lb/S - shaq, 1st rounder
Rb - Sankey, 4th rounder
Dt - shelton, 2nd rounder
S - Parker, 6th rounder
Lb - feeney, 5th rounder
Cb- peters, 2nd rounder
De - jamora, forgot his new name, 4th rounder
It's sad that there are no OL on this list..
Kasen has decent height and speed. He has great jumping ability, strength, and "ball hawking" skills. But the lack of superior quickness and top end speed, and height will make him a late rounder. As well, he doesn't get great separation. either because of route running skills, lack of quickness, and/or top end Speed. he excels with his strength. Which should translate into being able to dominate block CBs and LBs. Almost seems like he would make a good TE. Although because he can sky, this does make up a little bit for being avg height. I still think he goes in the latter half of the draft.
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I personally think you will see a big year out of Kasen with John Ross and Kevin Smith. UW didn't have a speed threat last year at the WR spot which really hurt Kasen.
He has good hands, good blocker, can leap well. I think he has a future in the NFL.
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