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Kids don't do that anymore. College basketball has been reduced to the point where it's seen as a slight to your game if you're still in school as an upperclassmen. The AAU circuit breeds the new age athlete into having 1 mindset, get in the league or bust. Once you can sniff it, you're gone.ThomasFremont said:
So if you are not gonna be a 1st rounder, what is the advantage of entering the draft early, as NWG is possibly looking to do? It's not like he is turning down guaranteed lottery pick money.RoadDawg55 said:
None of the lists have NWG coming out after this year. He will go up as the season goes on and UW gets recognized for hopefully being a good team. If he was on Kentucky, Duke, or Syracuse do to you think he still wouldn't be ranked? Same thing if he was ranked a 5 star player out of high school. That's what these mock drafts are mostly based on.ThomasFremont said:
I get what you're saying. But isn't it odd that literally zero mock drafts include him, and yet here you are proclaiming him a 1st round pick? As dnc said, he's not even in Chad Ford's top 100 prospects. You can blame that on media bias or lack of exposure if you want. But surely someone, somewhere, would have him on a list. I guess you're that special someone. I'd recommend taking off the purple tinted glasses.RoadDawg55 said:
Those are always really accurate.ThomasFremont said:
He's not even listed as a 2nd round pick in any mock drafts currently.RoadDawg55 said:NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.
Just enjoy his time at UW. He is playing well and leading this team.
I'm not sure he's a first rounder. I never have been. He will play in the NBA though and will get picked. I could go through those mock drafts and find a lot of player nowhere near as good as Goss. I'll start with the Harrison twins at Kentucky. The only other UW player that I cared about where he was drafted was Isaiah. He should have been picked a round higher.
My contention all along has been that he should be a 4 year college player.
Goss is exactly what you'd expect out of a non-bust McDs All-American, 1-2 years of solid, exciting play that leaves you wondering 'what if' when he bolts to the next level. -
Pics?ThomasFremont said:
I met NWG's sister in Vegas randomly. I don't remember which casino she was working at, but I was wearing UW gear (I'm cool like that) and she said her brother played on the UW bball team. According to her, he almost left for the draft last year. I think he's gone ASAP.dhdawg said:He isn't going to improve his draft stock unless he improves his jumper. If his draft stock is all he's concerned with (which is probably the case) goss is gone, but there are a few kids who do decide to stick around for whatever reason, so it's possible however unlikely
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Nope. Too drunk.SonnyShackelford said:
Pics?ThomasFremont said:
I met NWG's sister in Vegas randomly. I don't remember which casino she was working at, but I was wearing UW gear (I'm cool like that) and she said her brother played on the UW bball team. According to her, he almost left for the draft last year. I think he's gone ASAP.dhdawg said:He isn't going to improve his draft stock unless he improves his jumper. If his draft stock is all he's concerned with (which is probably the case) goss is gone, but there are a few kids who do decide to stick around for whatever reason, so it's possible however unlikely
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@ThomasFremont, I looked up where Upshaw and NWG are predicted to go. DraftExpress has NWG going 33 in 2016. He's ranked as the #15 sophomore in the country.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nigel-Williams-Goss-7093/
Upshaw is predicted at #48 in the 2015 draft by nbadraft.net. Once more people are aware of him and he gets into the process, that will rapidly rise. He's ranked the #23 sophomore by draftexpress.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-upshaw
I think both guys are underrated because they play for Washington. That's not purple-tinted glasses, but a reality. Where was Brandon Roy's ranked in December of his senior year? Terrence Ross went way higher than expected. How often are these guys from these sites watching UW? I look through the 2015 mock draft and Upshaw is better than a ton of guys listed before him. -
NWG is much more athletic than Wilcox. They also play totally different positions.ThomasFremont said:
Wilcox is an elite shooter. NWG isn't.RoadDawg55 said:
When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?dnc said:
I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.ThomasFremont said:
At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.RoadDawg55 said:Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.
He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.
FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
Wilcox has more size.
Wilcox has more athleticism.
And Wilcox went 28th. Barely a 1st rounder.
NWG isn't a 1st rounder as is. -
Based on what?GreenRiverGatorz said:
NWG is much more athletic than Wilcox. They also play totally different positions.ThomasFremont said:
Wilcox is an elite shooter. NWG isn't.RoadDawg55 said:
When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?dnc said:
I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.ThomasFremont said:
At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.RoadDawg55 said:Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.
He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.
FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
Wilcox has more size.
Wilcox has more athleticism.
And Wilcox went 28th. Barely a 1st rounder.
NWG isn't a 1st rounder as is.
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He's not. They did testing when T-Ross was on the team and I believe Wilcox actually beat him in a few of the jumping categories. For whatever reason his ability to jump and run has never been incorporated into his game, but his numbers are NBA elite.GreenRiverGatorz said:
NWG is much more athletic than Wilcox. They also play totally different positions.ThomasFremont said:
Wilcox is an elite shooter. NWG isn't.RoadDawg55 said:
When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?dnc said:
I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.ThomasFremont said:
At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.RoadDawg55 said:Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.
He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.
FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
Wilcox has more size.
Wilcox has more athleticism.
And Wilcox went 28th. Barely a 1st rounder.
NWG isn't a 1st rounder as is.
I haven't seen numbers on Goss, so he has a window to prove me wrong, but I highly doubt he has the ability to compete with T-ross the way wilcox did. -
You're seriously high if you're trying to compare NWG to wilcox. Wilcox is twice the athlete(in vert and quickness) than NWG is, however NWG has "the thing" that you can't teach or project. He has a knack for being a leader where CJ wasn't. He has the ability to do more with less, where as I think CJ always did less with more.GreenRiverGatorz said:
NWG is much more athletic than Wilcox. They also play totally different positions.ThomasFremont said:
Wilcox is an elite shooter. NWG isn't.RoadDawg55 said:
When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?dnc said:
I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.ThomasFremont said:
At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.RoadDawg55 said:Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.
He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.
FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
Wilcox has more size.
Wilcox has more athleticism.
And Wilcox went 28th. Barely a 1st rounder.
NWG isn't a 1st rounder as is.
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While I agree players who don't play on elite teams may suffer slightly in rankings, a lot of UW players have shot that theory down by their draft position.RoadDawg55 said:
I think both guys are underrated because they play for Washington. That's not purple-tinted glasses, but a reality. Where was Brandon Roy's ranked in December of his senior year? Terrence Ross went way higher than expected. How often are these guys from these sites watching UW? I look through the 2015 mock draft and Upshaw is better than a ton of guys listed before him.
Ross and Roy were pretty big freaks of nature for their size and abilities. Roy was essentially a scoring PG who was huge and had sneaky bounce even with knee problems.
I do believe upshaw is going to go up the ranks providing he stays in good standing, but Upshaw's rank may be do in part to his history and the "risk" of adding him. Whether or not smoking weed is fair to be dinged in a large manner is not really debatable b/c we don't draft guys. I think with a good season upshaw will be a first rounder. Conversely, I don't think NWG can play himself into the first round unless it somehow is done at the combine or pro workouts and punking other players. I don't think his game play this season will do jack to change many's minds. -
Precisely why he needs another year or more to develop a better outside shot. THAT would change his professional outlook dramatically.FreeChavez said:
While I agree players who don't play on elite teams may suffer slightly in rankings, a lot of UW players have shot that theory down by their draft position.RoadDawg55 said:
I think both guys are underrated because they play for Washington. That's not purple-tinted glasses, but a reality. Where was Brandon Roy's ranked in December of his senior year? Terrence Ross went way higher than expected. How often are these guys from these sites watching UW? I look through the 2015 mock draft and Upshaw is better than a ton of guys listed before him.
Ross and Roy were pretty big freaks of nature for their size and abilities. Roy was essentially a scoring PG who was huge and had sneaky bounce even with knee problems.
I do believe upshaw is going to go up the ranks providing he stays in good standing, but Upshaw's rank may be do in part to his history and the "risk" of adding him. Whether or not smoking weed is fair to be dinged in a large manner is not really debatable b/c we don't draft guys. I think with a good season upshaw will be a first rounder. Conversely, I don't think NWG can play himself into the first round unless it somehow is done at the combine or pro workouts and punking other players. I don't think his game play this season will do jack to change many's minds. -
That's my point. Once they get to combines, and scouts go back and watch hours upon hours of tape, where you go to school matters less. However, for early mock drafts, being a 5 star recruit and playing for the best college teams gets you ranked higher.FreeChavez said:
While I agree players who don't play on elite teams may suffer slightly in rankings, a lot of UW players have shot that theory down by their draft position.RoadDawg55 said:
I think both guys are underrated because they play for Washington. That's not purple-tinted glasses, but a reality. Where was Brandon Roy's ranked in December of his senior year? Terrence Ross went way higher than expected. How often are these guys from these sites watching UW? I look through the 2015 mock draft and Upshaw is better than a ton of guys listed before him.
Ross and Roy were pretty big freaks of nature for their size and abilities. Roy was essentially a scoring PG who was huge and had sneaky bounce even with knee problems.
I do believe upshaw is going to go up the ranks providing he stays in good standing, but Upshaw's rank may be do in part to his history and the "risk" of adding him. Whether or not smoking weed is fair to be dinged in a large manner is not really debatable b/c we don't draft guys. I think with a good season upshaw will be a first rounder. Conversely, I don't think NWG can play himself into the first round unless it somehow is done at the combine or pro workouts and punking other players. I don't think his game play this season will do jack to change many's minds.
I disagree about NWG. He will never be a really high draft pick, but UW having a good season with NWG making the all conference team will help his draft stock. The more he is recognized for being a leader and a winner will only help his draft stock. Another way to improve it is by outplaying a highly touted prospect head to head. I don't know who that would be in the Pac 12, but maybe if UW makes the tourney, that could happen.
NWG is not Russ Smith, a 5'10" gunner. NWG is a 6'3" PG who has the size to guard 2's. His shot should continue to get better. Lots of players enter the NBA as average shooters, but become elite over the years. He reminds me of Andre Miller a little bit. A bigger, slower PG, high basketball IQ, good passer, leader, good teammate, average shooter. -
So two recent examples, from UW shoot down that theory in flashing colors. Both IT and TW were all conference with UW having good seasons. Neither of which weren't helped in the draft by their season.
Andre miller is a likely a good comparison to someone he could project to. Andre did improve and play 4 years in college and had a long NBA career to boot. I wonder if NWG goes too early if he will get the chance andre did to prove himself. It's a different NBA than when Andre came out. The GM's love big, drooling athlete types.
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IT was an exception. I was firmly in the camp he was an NBA player when he was at UW despite his size. It was obvious and he had succeeded at every level. It was obviously a mistake that he lasted until the last pick.FreeChavez said:
So two recent examples, from UW shoot down that theory in flashing colors. Both IT and TW were all conference with UW having good seasons. Neither of which weren't helped in the draft by their season.
Andre miller is a likely a good comparison to someone he could project to. Andre did improve and play 4 years in college and had a long NBA career to boot. I wonder if NWG goes too early if he will get the chance andre did to prove himself. It's a different NBA than when Andre came out. The GM's love big, drooling athlete types.
TW's team didn't even make the tournament. He went about where he was always expected to go because he had an up and down season.
There are tons of guys every year that do stuff to improve their stock. If UW surprises with NWG contending for CPOY, I can't see how it wouldn't help his stock. On the other side, UW going .500 in conference and making the NIT would do nothing to help it.
I do understand what you are saying. NWG will always have liabilities to scouts. There are guys with limitations that's stock rise with good play. Shabazz Napier is an example. -
Great call on the Andre Miller comparison. Completely agree.RoadDawg55 said:
That's my point. Once they get to combines, and scouts go back and watch hours upon hours of tape, where you go to school matters less. However, for early mock drafts, being a 5 star recruit and playing for the best college teams gets you ranked higher.FreeChavez said:
While I agree players who don't play on elite teams may suffer slightly in rankings, a lot of UW players have shot that theory down by their draft position.RoadDawg55 said:
I think both guys are underrated because they play for Washington. That's not purple-tinted glasses, but a reality. Where was Brandon Roy's ranked in December of his senior year? Terrence Ross went way higher than expected. How often are these guys from these sites watching UW? I look through the 2015 mock draft and Upshaw is better than a ton of guys listed before him.
Ross and Roy were pretty big freaks of nature for their size and abilities. Roy was essentially a scoring PG who was huge and had sneaky bounce even with knee problems.
I do believe upshaw is going to go up the ranks providing he stays in good standing, but Upshaw's rank may be do in part to his history and the "risk" of adding him. Whether or not smoking weed is fair to be dinged in a large manner is not really debatable b/c we don't draft guys. I think with a good season upshaw will be a first rounder. Conversely, I don't think NWG can play himself into the first round unless it somehow is done at the combine or pro workouts and punking other players. I don't think his game play this season will do jack to change many's minds.
I disagree about NWG. He will never be a really high draft pick, but UW having a good season with NWG making the all conference team will help his draft stock. The more he is recognized for being a leader and a winner will only help his draft stock. Another way to improve it is by outplaying a highly touted prospect head to head. I don't know who that would be in the Pac 12, but maybe if UW makes the tourney, that could happen.
NWG is not Russ Smith, a 5'10" gunner. NWG is a 6'3" PG who has the size to guard 2's. His shot should continue to get better. Lots of players enter the NBA as average shooters, but become elite over the years. He reminds me of Andre Miller a little bit. A bigger, slower PG, high basketball IQ, good passer, leader, good teammate, average shooter.
