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@MWCherrington: #Washington’s Robert Upshaw is averaging 22.1 points and 9.1 blocks per 40 minutes. Averaging 18.8 minutes per game. Time for that to go up.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,854
    How many fouls per 40?
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,336 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    How many fouls per 40?

    I think fouls have only been an issue in two games.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500

    dnc said:

    How many fouls per 40?

    I think fouls have only been an issue in two games.
    This. I'm sure it will be an issue again but FT's are his biggest issue right now, fouls aren't anywhere close.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,336 Standard Supporter
    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.

    At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,854

    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.

    At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.
    I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.

    FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Goss will always be hampered by the fact he isn't elite athletically.
    Upshaw is the better prospect, but there are issues with him. Perhaps he can develop into a Deandre Jordan type.
    Excited to see what Upshaw will be in february
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,854
    edited December 2014
    dhdawg said:

    Goss will always be hampered by the fact he isn't elite athletically.
    Upshaw is the better prospect, but there are issues with him. Perhaps he can develop into a Deandre Jordan type.
    Excited to see what Upshaw will be in february

    There's so many possible outcomes for Upshaw's career. He could be out of basketball by May or a lottery pick in June or a hundred things in between. He's the ultimate high ceiling low floor player.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    dnc said:

    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.

    At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.
    I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.

    FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
    Now we all agree. But before the season, Upshaw was nothing but rumor and questions. Whereas Goss had at least proven something on the court.

    Right now Upshaw is improving while Goss looks roughly the same.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,336 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.

    At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.
    I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.

    FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
    When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,854

    dnc said:

    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.

    At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.
    I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.

    FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
    When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?
    This week I believe.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    dnc said:

    Upshaw's playing time will keep increasing. He has/had conditioning issues and Romar is taking it kind of slow with him.

    He's only going to get better. He's far exceeded even the doogliest expectations.

    At this rate, Upshaw will be a better NBA prospect than NWG.
    I think everyone agrees he's a better NBA prospect than NWG.

    FWIW, Chad Ford's latest top 100 rankings have Upshaw at like #60 and NWG unranked. I think Upshaw will move up quickly. I don't think anyone knows what to do with Goss. He was underrated coming out of HS and will almost certainly be underrated coming out of college as well.
    When is the last time Chad Ford updated those? I don't get NWG not being ranked. CJ Wilcox is a first rounder, but NWG isn't even ranked in the top 100?
    Wilcox is an elite shooter. NWG isn't.

    Wilcox has more size.

    Wilcox has more athleticism.

    And Wilcox went 28th. Barely a 1st rounder.

    NWG isn't a 1st rounder as is.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    NWG isn't an elite athlete but people needs to stop talking about him like he is Steve Blake.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    NWG isn't an elite athlete but people needs to stop talking about him like he is Steve Blake.

    Steve Blake can shoot.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500

    NWG isn't an elite athlete but people needs to stop talking about him like he is Steve Blake.

    Steve Blake can shoot.
    Athletically.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    NWG isn't an elite athlete but people needs to stop talking about him like he is Steve Blake.

    Steve Blake can shoot.
    Athletically.
    I know...

    That was me throwing shade on NWG's jump shot.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    I think some of you are a bit confused on blake. While the guy isn't athletically gifted vertical wise, he is very quick defensively and a very good player. He's never been flashy, and had one of the ugliest jumpers. That being said, he's much different than NWG defensively, and even as a PG.

    Either way, NWG will always be a guy who is going to have to earn his spot b/c of his lack of elite athleticism. I know we all love NWG, but I could see him going undrafted or in the 2nd round if he left. IT was the last freaking pick of the draft and IT was a very good player at UW. Some guys just never will be the golden children of scouts and gms'. Guys like NWG who succeed at every level will find a way at the nba level, but i still don't think that translates to a high pick regardless of what year he leaves. His situation reminds me of IT as far as draft stock. He isn't going to improve his stock dramatically by staying another two years. All he does is get older. If he really believes in himself, he leaves after this year regardless of draft position.

    Upshaw has a skillset which is rare, even in nba terms. He's still got a long way to go, but a nba team could easily talk themselves into a 7' with his athleticism and ability in the 1st round. His sketchy past may push him to the 2nd round.

    Nbadraftnet has upshaw in the 2nd round, and nwg not even ranked in the top 2. Eventhough I love NWG as a husky fan, I don't think i'd take him as an NBA GM in the draft. I would sign him and see how he did at camps, but I just don't see him as being top 60 player in the nba draft(considering foreign players as well).
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    @MWCherrington: #Washington’s Robert Upshaw is averaging 22.1 points and 9.1 blocks per 40 minutes. Averaging 18.8 minutes per game. Time for that to go up.

    I love these stats acting as if he played 35 minutes a game he'd somehow play at the same pace as the 20-25 he's playing now. Romar is being extremely smart in handling upshaw. Let him get into shape and learn to play a little more as the season goes on. By the pac12, upshaw probably will be up to 27-30 minutes a game barring foul trouble.

  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Yet Nik fucking Stauskas was picked eighth?
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    He isn't going to improve his draft stock unless he improves his jumper. If his draft stock is all he's concerned with (which is probably the case) goss is gone, but there are a few kids who do decide to stick around for whatever reason, so it's possible however unlikely
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    Yet Nik fucking Stauskas was picked eighth?

    Nik is also 6'6" and shot 45% from 3. I'm not saying he should be picked that high, but there is a spot for guys who can stand in the corner and nail 3's.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    dhdawg said:

    He isn't going to improve his draft stock unless he improves his jumper. If his draft stock is all he's concerned with (which is probably the case) goss is gone, but there are a few kids who do decide to stick around for whatever reason, so it's possible however unlikely

    I met NWG's sister in Vegas randomly. I don't remember which casino she was working at, but I was wearing UW gear (I'm cool like that) and she said her brother played on the UW bball team. According to her, he almost left for the draft last year. I think he's gone ASAP.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    dhdawg said:

    He isn't going to improve his draft stock unless he improves his jumper. If his draft stock is all he's concerned with (which is probably the case) goss is gone, but there are a few kids who do decide to stick around for whatever reason, so it's possible however unlikely

    I met NWG's sister in Vegas randomly. I don't remember which casino she was working at, but I was wearing UW gear (I'm cool like that) and she said her brother played on the UW bball team. According to her, he almost left for the draft last year. I think he's gone ASAP.
    Points for trolling waitresses in vegas.........

  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,336 Standard Supporter
    NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.

    He's not even listed as a 2nd round pick in any mock drafts currently.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,336 Standard Supporter

    NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.

    He's not even listed as a 2nd round pick in any mock drafts currently.
    Those are always really accurate.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.

    He's not even listed as a 2nd round pick in any mock drafts currently.
    Those are always really accurate.
    I get what you're saying. But isn't it odd that literally zero mock drafts include him, and yet here you are proclaiming him a 1st round pick? As dnc said, he's not even in Chad Ford's top 100 prospects. You can blame that on media bias or lack of exposure if you want. But surely someone, somewhere, would have him on a list. I guess you're that special someone. I'd recommend taking off the purple tinted glasses.

    Just enjoy his time at UW. He is playing well and leading this team.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    It's pretty doogish to say that our guy is a lock for the 1st round just b/c he's good in college. Guys can be built for different levels and NWG appears to be a guy who can be very successful in college, but the nba? Really, go through rosters in the nba and tell me he'd be competing against night in and night out.

    rondo/lawson/wall/paul/curry/lowry/teague/dwill/collison/jennings/lillard/bledsoe/TW/walker/parker/irving/IT/burke/jrue

    I love NWG just as much as any other husky, but i can't say he's betting out any of those guys for a spot in the league.

    If i'm drafting a PG in the 1st round I expect him to be able to play. I just don't see that with NWG.

    He's done an amazing job of proving everyone wrong though so far.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,336 Standard Supporter

    NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.

    He's not even listed as a 2nd round pick in any mock drafts currently.
    Those are always really accurate.
    I get what you're saying. But isn't it odd that literally zero mock drafts include him, and yet here you are proclaiming him a 1st round pick? As dnc said, he's not even in Chad Ford's top 100 prospects. You can blame that on media bias or lack of exposure if you want. But surely someone, somewhere, would have him on a list. I guess you're that special someone. I'd recommend taking off the purple tinted glasses.

    Just enjoy his time at UW. He is playing well and leading this team.
    None of the lists have NWG coming out after this year. He will go up as the season goes on and UW gets recognized for hopefully being a good team. If he was on Kentucky, Duke, or Syracuse do to you think he still wouldn't be ranked? Same thing if he was ranked a 5 star player out of high school. That's what these mock drafts are mostly based on.

    I'm not sure he's a first rounder. I never have been. He will play in the NBA though and will get picked. I could go through those mock drafts and find a lot of player nowhere near as good as Goss. I'll start with the Harrison twins at Kentucky. The only other UW player that I cared about where he was drafted was Isaiah. He should have been picked a round higher.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    NWG will be a late first/second round pick. He will have a better career than most the guys picked ahead of him too.

    He's not even listed as a 2nd round pick in any mock drafts currently.
    Those are always really accurate.
    I get what you're saying. But isn't it odd that literally zero mock drafts include him, and yet here you are proclaiming him a 1st round pick? As dnc said, he's not even in Chad Ford's top 100 prospects. You can blame that on media bias or lack of exposure if you want. But surely someone, somewhere, would have him on a list. I guess you're that special someone. I'd recommend taking off the purple tinted glasses.

    Just enjoy his time at UW. He is playing well and leading this team.
    None of the lists have NWG coming out after this year. He will go up as the season goes on and UW gets recognized for hopefully being a good team. If he was on Kentucky, Duke, or Syracuse do to you think he still wouldn't be ranked? Same thing if he was ranked a 5 star player out of high school. That's what these mock drafts are mostly based on.

    I'm not sure he's a first rounder. I never have been. He will play in the NBA though and will get picked. I could go through those mock drafts and find a lot of player nowhere near as good as Goss. I'll start with the Harrison twins at Kentucky. The only other UW player that I cared about where he was drafted was Isaiah. He should have been picked a round higher.
    So if you are not gonna be a 1st rounder, what is the advantage of entering the draft early, as NWG is possibly looking to do? It's not like he is turning down guaranteed lottery pick money.

    My contention all along has been that he should be a 4 year college player.