Upshaw leads the nation in blocks
Finally...a RIM PROTECTOR
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He just stands around and does nothing
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He was easily the difference in the game tonight ... absolutely dominating.
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Always about the blocks with you.
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Why do people always say this?DJs_boytoy said:Anyone remember Chol? Guessing he was second guessing his decision out of HS yesterday.
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It makes pedo bear angry.CuntWaffle said:
Why do people always say this?DJs_boytoy said:Anyone remember Chol? Guessing he was second guessing his decision out of HS yesterday.
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Upshaw must have been completely checked out and giving minimum effort to play so poorly when he was at Fresno State. He is a monster and completely changes the game defensively. He's a solid piece on offense too. He's also probably the best big offensively since MBA. 9 points in almost 18 minutes is pretty good. Stretch his playing time out to 25 and he's getting 12+. Blackwell had more polish, but he had concrete in his shoes and wasn't anywhere close to the presence Upshaw is around the basket.
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You had an upvote until that last sentence.RoadDawg55 said:Upshaw must have been completely checked out and giving minimum effort to play so poorly when he was at Fresno State. He is a monster and completely changes the game defensively. He's a solid piece on offense too. He's also probably the best big offensively since MBA. 9 points in almost 18 minutes is pretty good. Stretch his playing time out to 25 and he's getting 12+. Blackwell had more polish, but he had concrete in his shoes and wasn't anywhere close to the presence Upshaw is around the basket.
Upshaw looks like a future lottery pick to me. Spado probably thinks he will be the #1 pick. -
Upshaw has a lot of work to do - and most importantly is finding consistency in his game.
But for a big, he's very mobile and his wingspan (Jay Bilas will love him) is ridiculous. He's able to protect the rim without ever leaving his feet - which is huge for a big.
Offensively he's got a nice collection of hooks and moves around the hoop and he's not broken at all from the line unless he aims the ball resulting in a short arm attempt.
He's definitely not a lottery pick right now. But he does have ability and could work his way into that position through hard work and added consistency. -
Is he Chinese? Like Yao Ming?DJs_boytoy said:Anyone remember Chol? Guessing he was second guessing his decision out of HS yesterday.
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Steven Adams, Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, and Myers Leonard were lottery picks. Myers fucking Leonard! This year, Upshaw has been better than any of them were in college. None of them were on great teams either. Upshaw has far better per minute production.Tequilla said:Upshaw has a lot of work to do - and most importantly is finding consistency in his game.
But for a big, he's very mobile and his wingspan (Jay Bilas will love him) is ridiculous. He's able to protect the rim without ever leaving his feet - which is huge for a big.
Offensively he's got a nice collection of hooks and moves around the hoop and he's not broken at all from the line unless he aims the ball resulting in a short arm attempt.
He's definitely not a lottery pick right now. But he does have ability and could work his way into that position through hard work and added consistency.
Some more skilled 4/5's recently taken have been Kelly Olynyk, Cody Zeller, and Noah Vonleh. They all have more skill and polish, but who potentially is more likely to be a starter on a championship contender. An elite, shot blocking true center like Upshaw or those guys?
Javale McGee is making 10+ million per season. DeAndre Jordan has no offensive game outside of three feet and is considered a top 10 center. Roy Hibbert has a max contract. There has always been a premium placed on centers. I don't think it's far fetched at all that Upshaw is a lottery pick. -
The challenge for Upshaw is simply going to be showing he can stay on the court long enough to justify a high draft choice. If he can stay out of foul trouble long enough to play 25-30 minutes per game he's a lottery pick talent, no question.RoadDawg55 said:
Steven Adams, Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, and Myers Leonard were lottery picks. Myers fucking Leonard! This year, Upshaw has been better than any of them were in college. None of them were on great teams either. Upshaw has far better per minute production.Tequilla said:Upshaw has a lot of work to do - and most importantly is finding consistency in his game.
But for a big, he's very mobile and his wingspan (Jay Bilas will love him) is ridiculous. He's able to protect the rim without ever leaving his feet - which is huge for a big.
Offensively he's got a nice collection of hooks and moves around the hoop and he's not broken at all from the line unless he aims the ball resulting in a short arm attempt.
He's definitely not a lottery pick right now. But he does have ability and could work his way into that position through hard work and added consistency.
Some more skilled 4/5's recently taken have been Kelly Olynyk, Cody Zeller, and Noah Vonleh. They all have more skill and polish, but who potentially is more likely to be a starter on a championship contender. An elite, shot blocking true center like Upshaw or those guys?
Javale McGee is making 10+ million per season. DeAndre Jordan has no offensive game outside of three feet and is considered a top 10 center. Roy Hibbert has a max contract. There has always been a premium placed on centers. I don't think it's far fetched at all that Upshaw is a lottery pick.
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He's definitely got the ability to be a lottery pick. I would bet on the side of him being one instead of not.RoadDawg55 said:
Steven Adams, Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, and Myers Leonard were lottery picks. Myers fucking Leonard! This year, Upshaw has been better than any of them were in college. None of them were on great teams either. Upshaw has far better per minute production.Tequilla said:Upshaw has a lot of work to do - and most importantly is finding consistency in his game.
But for a big, he's very mobile and his wingspan (Jay Bilas will love him) is ridiculous. He's able to protect the rim without ever leaving his feet - which is huge for a big.
Offensively he's got a nice collection of hooks and moves around the hoop and he's not broken at all from the line unless he aims the ball resulting in a short arm attempt.
He's definitely not a lottery pick right now. But he does have ability and could work his way into that position through hard work and added consistency.
Some more skilled 4/5's recently taken have been Kelly Olynyk, Cody Zeller, and Noah Vonleh. They all have more skill and polish, but who potentially is more likely to be a starter on a championship contender. An elite, shot blocking true center like Upshaw or those guys?
Javale McGee is making 10+ million per season. DeAndre Jordan has no offensive game outside of three feet and is considered a top 10 center. Roy Hibbert has a max contract. There has always been a premium placed on centers. I don't think it's far fetched at all that Upshaw is a lottery pick.
However, clearly there's something that happened in the past that he'll have to get past and after sitting out a year he's got to display some consistency.
He's a very talented project right now. He's definitely stronger defensively than he is offensively right now. If he can up his offensive game that will help him for sure. He will find his way onto a roster because of his defense alone ... but defense normally doesn't get you picked in the lottery. -
Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
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and after 10 years people still don't appreciate what hawes brings to the floor. wowDoogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
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Just think how good he could be when he gets to the nba and he can smoke weed freely!!!!Tequilla said:
He's definitely got the ability to be a lottery pick. I would bet on the side of him being one instead of not.RoadDawg55 said:
Steven Adams, Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, and Myers Leonard were lottery picks. Myers fucking Leonard! This year, Upshaw has been better than any of them were in college. None of them were on great teams either. Upshaw has far better per minute production.Tequilla said:Upshaw has a lot of work to do - and most importantly is finding consistency in his game.
But for a big, he's very mobile and his wingspan (Jay Bilas will love him) is ridiculous. He's able to protect the rim without ever leaving his feet - which is huge for a big.
Offensively he's got a nice collection of hooks and moves around the hoop and he's not broken at all from the line unless he aims the ball resulting in a short arm attempt.
He's definitely not a lottery pick right now. But he does have ability and could work his way into that position through hard work and added consistency.
Some more skilled 4/5's recently taken have been Kelly Olynyk, Cody Zeller, and Noah Vonleh. They all have more skill and polish, but who potentially is more likely to be a starter on a championship contender. An elite, shot blocking true center like Upshaw or those guys?
Javale McGee is making 10+ million per season. DeAndre Jordan has no offensive game outside of three feet and is considered a top 10 center. Roy Hibbert has a max contract. There has always been a premium placed on centers. I don't think it's far fetched at all that Upshaw is a lottery pick.
However, clearly there's something that happened in the past that he'll have to get past and after sitting out a year he's got to display some consistency.
He's a very talented project right now. He's definitely stronger defensively than he is offensively right now. If he can up his offensive game that will help him for sure. He will find his way onto a roster because of his defense alone ... but defense normally doesn't get you picked in the lottery. -
I know he's a five star seattle boy, but his career at U-dub was disappointing to say the least (i know, i know he got sick!) and Sacramento really wished they had their pick back (GASOL!). He wasn't worth the number 10 pick.FreeChavez said:
and after 10 years people still don't appreciate what hawes brings to the floor. wowDoogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
He's a decent NBA player, but he's not a difference maker for a championship. Upshaw has that shot blocking interior defense that can alter a series. I take him over Hawes for that alone. Plus Upshaw looks surprisingly smooth in the post, with a little bit of polish, he is going to be a monster. -
Most guys in the lottery aren't difference makers.
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I think upsahw is good, and could possibly grow into something, but he would get eaten alive in the nba right now. What he does, his size, is normal in the nba. He is not THAT good for nba standards. He still has time to grow into something, and no doubt a team would take him as a project if he keeps improving this season. That being said, he's got a lot of work to do in order to stay on a floor or be a regular in an nba lineup.Doogles said:
I know he's a five star seattle boy, but his career at U-dub was disappointing to say the least (i know, i know he got sick!) and Sacramento really wished they had their pick back (GASOL!). He wasn't worth the number 10 pick.FreeChavez said:
and after 10 years people still don't appreciate what hawes brings to the floor. wowDoogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
He's a decent NBA player, but he's not a difference maker for a championship. Upshaw has that shot blocking interior defense that can alter a series. I take him over Hawes for that alone. Plus Upshaw looks surprisingly smooth in the post, with a little bit of polish, he is going to be a monster. -
Agreed, he needs serious conditioning to be able to compete professionally. The NBA has grown soft over the years. Marc Gasol and Demarcus Cousins are the only real old school bangers in the league right now. Dwight Howard could be but he's a puss. Roy Hibb is a mental midget and disappears and points fingers.
Now more than ever there is a market for a tuff center. -
Hawes has skills Upshaw can't touch.Doogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
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Wait, passing and dribbling and shooting from outside of 5 ft is good for the nba?ThomasFremont said:
Hawes has skills Upshaw can't touch.Doogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
Let's not get carried away here.
I wonder if spado has a new lottery pick after JJ went down in spectacular flames. -
He's the next Benoit Benjamin.ThomasFremont said:
Hawes has skills Upshaw can't touch.Doogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
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That's what I am hearing.FreeChavez said:
Wait, passing and dribbling and shooting from outside of 5 ft is good for the nba?ThomasFremont said:
Hawes has skills Upshaw can't touch.Doogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
Let's not get carried away here.
I wonder if spado has a new lottery pick after JJ went down in spectacular flames. -
His guards were a massive disappointment. Hawes was damn good.Doogles said:
I know he's a five star seattle boy, but his career at U-dub was disappointing to say the least (i know, i know he got sick!) and Sacramento really wished they had their pick back (GASOL!). He wasn't worth the number 10 pick.FreeChavez said:
and after 10 years people still don't appreciate what hawes brings to the floor. wowDoogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
He's a decent NBA player, but he's not a difference maker for a championship. Upshaw has that shot blocking interior defense that can alter a series. I take him over Hawes for that alone. Plus Upshaw looks surprisingly smooth in the post, with a little bit of polish, he is going to be a monster.
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Fucking THIS.dnc said:
His guards were a massive disappointment. Hawes was damn good.Doogles said:
I know he's a five star seattle boy, but his career at U-dub was disappointing to say the least (i know, i know he got sick!) and Sacramento really wished they had their pick back (GASOL!). He wasn't worth the number 10 pick.FreeChavez said:
and after 10 years people still don't appreciate what hawes brings to the floor. wowDoogles said:Spencer Hawes was picked in the lottery. I would take Upshaw over Hawes any day.
He's a decent NBA player, but he's not a difference maker for a championship. Upshaw has that shot blocking interior defense that can alter a series. I take him over Hawes for that alone. Plus Upshaw looks surprisingly smooth in the post, with a little bit of polish, he is going to be a monster.
The one year we were stacked in the front court (Hawes/Brockman) coincides with the worst guards Romar has ever had. Damn shame. -
Selfish version of JD and Ryan Appleby. Gods!
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JJ was horrible last night ... as in shouldn't have been on the court horrible. Looked absolutely lost on the court.
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3s and layups. That's all that matters in basketball.
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I can't believe so many are disagreeing with @Doogles. Hawes was a very good center and he did play with horrible guards. That said, Upshaw is a game changer defensively. Hawes was not and has always been a skilled, finesse big. Completely different games, but Upshaw is more of a difference maker.
Doogles is right about Hawes. He will never be a difference maker in the NBA. He's a role player. Hawes does have skills than Upshaw. He always will. Upshaw will never be the shooter or passer Hawes is. Hawes has more skills than DeAndre Jordan or Roy Hibbert, but who is the better NBA player? Why does Jordan start over him and get the majority of the playing time? If given a choice, both Hibbert and Jordan are easily taken before Hawes by NBA GM's. It's not even close.
Saying Upshaw couldn't get minutes in the NBA right now is crazy. If you watch a lot of NBA, you would know that isn't true. Of course he needs a lot of work and has a long way to go. That's true for most centers in the NBA. Steven Adams starts. Both Plumlee's get solid playing time, the one of Phoenix starting. Ryan Hollins has had a 10 year career and started in the NBA. Jason Collins was on a team last year. There is and always will be a dearth of quality bigs in the NBA.
Unless Upshaw's play this year is a mirage, he's an NBA player right now. On almost any team, he's a back up center with his defense and shot blocking alone. He could start on some of the worst teams in the league.
