Oregon, Alabama, Florida State and Ohio State are my Final Four picks. What say You??
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I think the committee messed up when they put TCU at 3 the past week. It really left the door open for them to get completely reamed if they oust them now. Everyone knows you can't knock FSU out if they win, so why dangle them at the 4?
They should have had the only revolving door spot held by one of the fringe teams (TCU, Baylor, OSU) and then reseed accordingly after the championship games played out.
They will look like complete douche nozzles if they bump TCU out after placing them at 3, even though tOSU needs to be in for any credibility to remain. -
What has Ohio State done to make them a lock to the extent that if they aren't in the Top 4 teams that there is no credibility? Excluding Florida State, there are 5 teams with 1 losses that are fighting for 3 spots. Alabama lost on the road to Ole Miss (probably in the playoff bowl group). Oregon lost at home to Arizona (who they played in the conference title game - another team that will be in the playoff bowl group). TCU lost on the road to Baylor (a team that has a chance to be in the Final Four and for sure will be in the playoff bowl group). Baylor lost on the road to West Virginia. Ohio State lost at home to Virginia Tech. Of that group, unquestionably the worst loss of the bunch is Ohio State. When you add to that that the two worst conferences this year were either the Big 10 or the ACC, and the champ of the Big 10 was beat by an extremely mediocre team from the ACC, to me, those are the compelling reasons to exclude Ohio State.Doogles said:I think the committee messed up when they put TCU at 3 the past week. It really left the door open for them to get completely reamed if they oust them now. Everyone knows you can't knock FSU out if they win, so why dangle them at the 4?
They should have had the only revolving door spot held by one of the fringe teams (TCU, Baylor, OSU) and then reseed accordingly after the championship games played out.
They will look like complete douche nozzles if they bump TCU out after placing them at 3, even though tOSU needs to be in for any credibility to remain.
The only reason to move TCU to number 3 last week was to confirm that the opinion of them was that barring a loss this weekend (or a close game), TCU was going to be in the Final Four teams.
And regarding those always pointing out that TCU lost to Baylor therefore Baylor should be rated higher, college football has a lengthy history of ignoring that when comparing similar teams. Two instances that come to mind immediately:
1993: Notre Dame beat Florida State in South Bend and then lost to an above average Boston College team at home. Florida State won the national title.
2000: Florida State lost to Miami who lost to Washington. All were 1 loss teams - Washington's loss was to a 2 loss Oregon team that shared the conference championship. Florida State played for the BCS title against Oklahoma. -
Tequilla, tOSU just blasted Wisconsin. Their only loss was 2nd game of the year after losing Braxton Miller. Urban Meyer and his natty's get to pop off. It sucks, TCU is a great squad and Patterson is in the elite category of coaches, but you guys didn't win your conference. You are right that today was worst case scenario for TCU, that Oklahoma loss might be the difference.Tequilla said:
What has Ohio State done to make them a lock to the extent that if they aren't in the Top 4 teams that there is no credibility? Excluding Florida State, there are 5 teams with 1 losses that are fighting for 3 spots. Alabama lost on the road to Ole Miss (probably in the playoff bowl group). Oregon lost at home to Arizona (who they played in the conference title game - another team that will be in the playoff bowl group). TCU lost on the road to Baylor (a team that has a chance to be in the Final Four and for sure will be in the playoff bowl group). Baylor lost on the road to West Virginia. Ohio State lost at home to Virginia Tech. Of that group, unquestionably the worst loss of the bunch is Ohio State. When you add to that that the two worst conferences this year were either the Big 10 or the ACC, and the champ of the Big 10 was beat by an extremely mediocre team from the ACC, to me, those are the compelling reasons to exclude Ohio State.Doogles said:I think the committee messed up when they put TCU at 3 the past week. It really left the door open for them to get completely reamed if they oust them now. Everyone knows you can't knock FSU out if they win, so why dangle them at the 4?
They should have had the only revolving door spot held by one of the fringe teams (TCU, Baylor, OSU) and then reseed accordingly after the championship games played out.
They will look like complete douche nozzles if they bump TCU out after placing them at 3, even though tOSU needs to be in for any credibility to remain.
The only reason to move TCU to number 3 last week was to confirm that the opinion of them was that barring a loss this weekend (or a close game), TCU was going to be in the Final Four teams.
And regarding those always pointing out that TCU lost to Baylor therefore Baylor should be rated higher, college football has a lengthy history of ignoring that when comparing similar teams. Two instances that come to mind immediately:
1993: Notre Dame beat Florida State in South Bend and then lost to an above average Boston College team at home. Florida State won the national title.
2000: Florida State lost to Miami who lost to Washington. All were 1 loss teams - Washington's loss was to a 2 loss Oregon team that shared the conference championship. Florida State played for the BCS title against Oklahoma. -
Bolded the wtf sections. I don't know anything about '93--too young, but in '00 Miami was playing better ball at the end of the year than UW and FSU and probably should've gone to the NC. Same thing applies to this year, Ohio and Alabama are by far better teams now than they were against VT and Ole Miss. Even with their third QB Ohio probably kills VT if they play again, and same for Bama and Ole Miss.Tequilla said:
What has Ohio State done to make them a lock to the extent that if they aren't in the Top 4 teams that there is no credibility? Excluding Florida State, there are 5 teams with 1 losses that are fighting for 3 spots. Alabama lost on the road to Ole Miss (probably in the playoff bowl group). Oregon lost at home to Arizona (who they played in the conference title game - another team that will be in the playoff bowl group). TCU lost on the road to Baylor (a team that has a chance to be in the Final Four and for sure will be in the playoff bowl group). Baylor lost on the road to West Virginia. Ohio State lost at home to Virginia Tech. Of that group, unquestionably the worst loss of the bunch is Ohio State. When you add to that that the two worst conferences this year were either the Big 10 or the ACC, and the champ of the Big 10 was beat by an extremely mediocre team from the ACC, to me, those are the compelling reasons to exclude Ohio State.Doogles said:I think the committee messed up when they put TCU at 3 the past week. It really left the door open for them to get completely reamed if they oust them now. Everyone knows you can't knock FSU out if they win, so why dangle them at the 4?
They should have had the only revolving door spot held by one of the fringe teams (TCU, Baylor, OSU) and then reseed accordingly after the championship games played out.
They will look like complete douche nozzles if they bump TCU out after placing them at 3, even though tOSU needs to be in for any credibility to remain.
The only reason to move TCU to number 3 last week was to confirm that the opinion of them was that barring a loss this weekend (or a close game), TCU was going to be in the Final Four teams.
And regarding those always pointing out that TCU lost to Baylor therefore Baylor should be rated higher, college football has a lengthy history of ignoring that when comparing similar teams. Two instances that come to mind immediately:
1993: Notre Dame beat Florida State in South Bend and then lost to an above average Boston College team at home. Florida State won the national title.
2000: Florida State lost to Miami who lost to Washington. All were 1 loss teams - Washington's loss was to a 2 loss Oregon team that shared the conference championship. Florida State played for the BCS title against Oklahoma.
On a second point, I think that you're all sleeping on FSU and how well they perform under pressure. I think there's definitely an element of playing down to the competition, and it's hard to see them not being able to score with the other teams if Jameis and Cook are clicking. -
It's really simple. When you look at the losses:
Alabama lost on the road to a team that will finish in the top 12 of the standings
Oregon lost at home to a team on the top 12 of the standings
TCU lost on the road to a team that will finish in the top 6 of the standings
Baylor lost on the road to a team outside the top 12 of the standings (a 7-5 West Virginia team that lost to Alabama, TCU, KState, Oklahoma, and at Texas)
Ohio State lost at home to a team outside the top 12 of the standings (a 6-6 Virginia Tech team)
I get that it was early in the year. I get that Ohio State was breaking in a new QB. But of all the losses, that is by far the worst loss of the group with 1 loss. It's an eye sore.
If you look at Ohio State now and think that they are playing Top 4 quality football, that's a fair point. But when you look at what happened over the course of the season, you can't say that they were a Top 4 team over the entire season. To put them in the playoffs over teams that were far more consistent throughout the season would minimize what was done early in the year. -
Looking at losses alone is dumb.Tequilla said:It's really simple. When you look at the losses:
Alabama lost on the road to a team that will finish in the top 12 of the standings
Oregon lost at home to a team on the top 12 of the standings
TCU lost on the road to a team that will finish in the top 6 of the standings
Baylor lost on the road to a team outside the top 12 of the standings (a 7-5 West Virginia team that lost to Alabama, TCU, KState, Oklahoma, and at Texas)
Ohio State lost at home to a team outside the top 12 of the standings (a 6-6 Virginia Tech team)
I get that it was early in the year. I get that Ohio State was breaking in a new QB. But of all the losses, that is by far the worst loss of the group with 1 loss. It's an eye sore.
If you look at Ohio State now and think that they are playing Top 4 quality football, that's a fair point. But when you look at what happened over the course of the season, you can't say that they were a Top 4 team over the entire season. To put them in the playoffs over teams that were far more consistent throughout the season would minimize what was done early in the year.
TCU has a win over Kansas State and....Minnesota?
The XII refused to pick a conference champion and they're going to pay for it today.
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I have ONE THING to say about anyone who doubts if Ohio State should be in the Final Four...
"Fifty-Nine to Nothing!!!!" "Fifty-Nine" to nothing. -
Anyone that thinks FSU should be out loves sizzle. FSU played OK State, Notre Dame, and Florida in non conference. They play down to their competition at times, but they are the only undefeated team. They always pull it out. Undefeated, tough non conference schedule, and they beat three teams that finished in the top 25.
Winning at Louisville on a Thursday is a better road win than either TCU or Baylor had. -
And no matter what was or wasn't fair (the fair thing would probably have been to give it to Washington), by the end of that season the best team in the country was Miami, and they would have rolled Oklahoma, Florida State or Washington .... or anybody else for that matter. That team was fucking loaded and was coming together by January.Tequilla said:
What has Ohio State done to make them a lock to the extent that if they aren't in the Top 4 teams that there is no credibility? Excluding Florida State, there are 5 teams with 1 losses that are fighting for 3 spots. Alabama lost on the road to Ole Miss (probably in the playoff bowl group). Oregon lost at home to Arizona (who they played in the conference title game - another team that will be in the playoff bowl group). TCU lost on the road to Baylor (a team that has a chance to be in the Final Four and for sure will be in the playoff bowl group). Baylor lost on the road to West Virginia. Ohio State lost at home to Virginia Tech. Of that group, unquestionably the worst loss of the bunch is Ohio State. When you add to that that the two worst conferences this year were either the Big 10 or the ACC, and the champ of the Big 10 was beat by an extremely mediocre team from the ACC, to me, those are the compelling reasons to exclude Ohio State.Doogles said:I think the committee messed up when they put TCU at 3 the past week. It really left the door open for them to get completely reamed if they oust them now. Everyone knows you can't knock FSU out if they win, so why dangle them at the 4?
They should have had the only revolving door spot held by one of the fringe teams (TCU, Baylor, OSU) and then reseed accordingly after the championship games played out.
They will look like complete douche nozzles if they bump TCU out after placing them at 3, even though tOSU needs to be in for any credibility to remain.
The only reason to move TCU to number 3 last week was to confirm that the opinion of them was that barring a loss this weekend (or a close game), TCU was going to be in the Final Four teams.
And regarding those always pointing out that TCU lost to Baylor therefore Baylor should be rated higher, college football has a lengthy history of ignoring that when comparing similar teams. Two instances that come to mind immediately:
1993: Notre Dame beat Florida State in South Bend and then lost to an above average Boston College team at home. Florida State won the national title.
2000: Florida State lost to Miami who lost to Washington. All were 1 loss teams - Washington's loss was to a 2 loss Oregon team that shared the conference championship. Florida State played for the BCS title against Oklahoma.
Carry on.
