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...from my bayloor beaoor uncle in law who sent this BCC email to apparently everyone he knows
I call total Bull$hit!
The committee (who has too many cooks in the kitchen) is completely overlooking that it's NOT just 1 loss by each team (TCU/Baylor) to separate teams, BUT TCUs one loss is to the very team 3 behind them & is a team in their same conference, where they virtually play the same schedule! The big 12 does not do round-robin like the SEC. Each team plays each big 12 team. This would be the equivalent of Alabama beating Auburn head to head in conference, but Auburn still being 3 ahead of them in rankings, even though each only had 1 loss. It would never happen! Folks in Alabama would burn the State off the map!
On a side note, it's completely being overlooked that in the game Baylor lost & in last weeks close one, their Heisman candidate QB was seriously hurt (with a painful fractured back @ WV, & he was out from the 3rd qtr on with a concussion @ TCU).
From the beginning of history in sport, "head to head" has always been THE determining factor!...until now! So, next time any team comes from behind in any sport in a deciding game to win (like a team in a game 7 World Series behind 5 runs in the 7th inning, who comes back to win in the 9th), then let's not give them full credit, cause they were behind a lot at one point & that other team really out played them for 7 innings. BS!!!
I'll even go biblical here - "right will be wrong & wrong will be right, in the end".
Now, if we go lay an egg Sat, please disregard all I've said- ha!
PS: I may very well body slam Herbstreit Sat. when I see him. Pray for me cause I'm serious. The guy who says his "eye test" tells him TCU is "much" better. This is the same guy whose eye test has told him OU would be #1 & win it all the last 2 years & Baylor has scourged them each year. Time to be held accountable for your words & eyes Herbie!
I call total Bull$hit!
The committee (who has too many cooks in the kitchen) is completely overlooking that it's NOT just 1 loss by each team (TCU/Baylor) to separate teams, BUT TCUs one loss is to the very team 3 behind them & is a team in their same conference, where they virtually play the same schedule! The big 12 does not do round-robin like the SEC. Each team plays each big 12 team. This would be the equivalent of Alabama beating Auburn head to head in conference, but Auburn still being 3 ahead of them in rankings, even though each only had 1 loss. It would never happen! Folks in Alabama would burn the State off the map!
On a side note, it's completely being overlooked that in the game Baylor lost & in last weeks close one, their Heisman candidate QB was seriously hurt (with a painful fractured back @ WV, & he was out from the 3rd qtr on with a concussion @ TCU).
From the beginning of history in sport, "head to head" has always been THE determining factor!...until now! So, next time any team comes from behind in any sport in a deciding game to win (like a team in a game 7 World Series behind 5 runs in the 7th inning, who comes back to win in the 9th), then let's not give them full credit, cause they were behind a lot at one point & that other team really out played them for 7 innings. BS!!!
I'll even go biblical here - "right will be wrong & wrong will be right, in the end".
Now, if we go lay an egg Sat, please disregard all I've said- ha!
PS: I may very well body slam Herbstreit Sat. when I see him. Pray for me cause I'm serious. The guy who says his "eye test" tells him TCU is "much" better. This is the same guy whose eye test has told him OU would be #1 & win it all the last 2 years & Baylor has scourged them each year. Time to be held accountable for your words & eyes Herbie!
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someone needs to tell the author that a round-robin is actually what the Big 12 does, and to not be such a giant pussy in terms of OOC scheduling
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THEY DIDN'T PLAY MINNESOTA
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If Baylor really wanted to be national champions, they shouldn't have lost that one game.
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I'm not a TCU fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I love what the committee is doing on account of sending a clear message that pussy OOC schedules will actually get you fucked with by the committee, and also fuck the Babtists.
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That email is one of the biggest reasons why I hate Baylor so much ... they are such a whiny bunch of bible thumping fucktards I've ever seen in my life ...
I went to a game in College Station once where aTm played Baylor ... I'm sitting in the stands with my buddy and Baylor's getting drilled like they historically have. Sitting nearby is a Baylor dude that clearly looks like he rarely leaves his basement because the Dungeons and Dragons game he's playing on (the) line is way too fucking stressful. Even while getting their ass kicked, this dbag is sitting there the entire game yelling "Sic Em Bears" and doing the ridiculous bear claw sign with his hand ... did I mention yet that we were sitting basically at the top of the stadium in the endzone so nobody on the field had a chance whatsoever to hear him?
Baylor's spent most of their existence getting their ass kicked by everybody. Baylor was plenty involved with Will E Lyles. One of the big problems with Texas the last 5+ years has been that they've been very pissed that their recruiting hasn't been great because too many local area schools are too busy paying players ... wonder who they may be pointing their fingers at (allegedly).
Baylor will do just about ANYTHING to get a win and get out of the shadows of their more successful neighbors. Which is also why they are so butthurt about TCU (one of their biggest rivals and threats for success) being ranked ahead of them.
The ONLY thing Baylor has to hang their hat on in this debate was that they beat TCU.
They can't explain away that TCU looks like the more impressive team.
They can't explain away that TCU wiped the field with them for 50 minutes and it took 10 terrible minutes of play from TCU + officials help to get Baylor the win.
They can't explain away their lack of OOC schedule.
They can't explain away the fact that if you look at the cumulative point totals in Big 12 play that there's a strong likelihood that TCU will be +50 points in point differential compared to Baylor.
Instead, Baylor points to the fact that their QB was hurt for portions of a game as an excuse. TCU's had their share of injury issues as well and just plugged in and went from there.
On a neutral field, I would expect TCU to beat Baylor probably 70% of the time. They are the better team. -
TCU lost to Baylor but fuck Baylor
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I dislike Baylor. Their sideline antics are worse than sarks. In fact it's where sark got the idea to mimick that shit after the Alamo bowl.
That being said. They beat tcu head to head and this whole argument is fucktarded. -
I despise Baylor, hate that team, coach, city, fans, everything.
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I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
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I realize it is a bit apples and oranges, but you could make the same argument about Oregon/Arizona or even Alabama/Ole Miss.RoadDawg55 said:I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
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Except for, you know, the records aren't the same.Tequilla said:
I realize it is a bit apples and oranges, but you could make the same argument about Oregon/Arizona or even Alabama/Ole Miss.RoadDawg55 said:I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
I've never been of the "head to head trumps everything else" ilk, but even those who do ascribe to that worldview don't try to apply it when one team has more losses than the other. Unless they're, you know, coogs. -
It's 2000 redux.RoadDawg55 said:I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
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You clearly didn't read the "it's a bit apples and oranges" part of it ...dnc said:
Except for, you know, the records aren't the same.Tequilla said:
I realize it is a bit apples and oranges, but you could make the same argument about Oregon/Arizona or even Alabama/Ole Miss.RoadDawg55 said:I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
I've never been of the "head to head trumps everything else" ilk, but even those who do ascribe to that worldview don't try to apply it when one team has more losses than the other. Unless they're, you know, coogs.
And with respect to Oregon vs. Arizona, you could very easily argue that the PAC South >>> PAC North. -
That was one spot and it was after all games had been played but I was going to mention it. That being said I think I've brought up before that my brother went to TCU so in this case I don't really give a fuck about what's fair. I just want to see the frawgs go to the playoff so I can turn up.TTJ said:
It's 2000 redux.RoadDawg55 said:I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
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Does not apply to SECAZDuck said:I'm not a TCU fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I love what the committee is doing on account of sending a clear message that pussy OOC schedules will actually get you fucked with by the committee, and also fuck the Babtists.
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Absolutely, Baylor's whining and lobbying with state politicians are a huge reason why we didn't become the Pac-16 three years ago.Tequilla said:That email is one of the biggest reasons why I hate Baylor so much ... they are such a whiny bunch of bible thumping fucktards I've ever seen in my life ...
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I generally don't give a fuck what's going on in Texas. It's the world's biggest shit hole. Well behind India and some other places.
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Must be part of God's plan to keep them out of the playoff.
Pretty arrogant of Baylor fans to question Him. -
After Ohio and FSU lose this weekend and Baylor wins don't the Bears get in too?
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Its not like TCU played a tuff non con schedule. They didn't. They play an equal conference schedule. And Baylor won the head to head
Ohio State is being penalized for playing doog legend Frank Beamer, a power 5 team, allegedly, with a first time freshman starter at QB. Ohio State is unbeaten if they played either of TCU or Baylor's non conference schedule.
Go ahead and say the B1G sucks because
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I think TCU is the better team, but Tequilla, don't act like if you were a Baylor fan that you would be calmly accepting the possibility of being denied entry to the final 4. You would be writing long, anguished dissertations on why Baylor's win over TCU qualifies them more.
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LOLDerekJohnson said:I think TCU is the better team, but Tequilla, don't act like if you were a Baylor fan that you would be calmly accepting the possibility of being denied entry to the final 4. You would be writing long, anguished dissertations on why Baylor's win over TCU qualifies them more.
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potdDerekJohnson said:I think TCU is the better team, but Tequilla, don't act like if you were a Baylor fan that you would be calmly accepting the possibility of being denied entry to the final 4. You would be writing long, anguished dissertations on why Baylor's win over TCU qualifies them more.
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It's not a bit apples and oranges, it's completely apples and oranges to the point that the hypothetical arguments you're suggesting don't exist. No one anywhere is lobbying for Ole Miss in the playoff over Alabama.Tequilla said:
You clearly didn't read the "it's a bit apples and oranges" part of it ...dnc said:
Except for, you know, the records aren't the same.Tequilla said:
I realize it is a bit apples and oranges, but you could make the same argument about Oregon/Arizona or even Alabama/Ole Miss.RoadDawg55 said:I don't care too much who goes, but TCU being 3 spots above a team that beat them is pretty ridiculous.
I've never been of the "head to head trumps everything else" ilk, but even those who do ascribe to that worldview don't try to apply it when one team has more losses than the other. Unless they're, you know, coogs.
And with respect to Oregon vs. Arizona, you could very easily argue that the PAC South >>> PAC North.
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I think tcu may be better too. Maybe not. If they only did something like play each other on a fucking football field to determine who would come out on top... Then we would know who deserved to go.DerekJohnson said:I think TCU is the better team, but Tequilla, don't act like if you were a Baylor fan that you would be calmly accepting the possibility of being denied entry to the final 4. You would be writing long, anguished dissertations on why Baylor's win over TCU qualifies them more.
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You mean I have to be fair and balanced???
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But still.
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In all fairness, I think the gap between the two teams is close. The only reason for Baylor to be 6th in my opinion is to punish it for things that they control whether that be their OOC scheduling (which has been poor for years) or for their cheating in the recruiting game (allegedly).
I have many friends that are both TCU and Baylor alums. This topic has sparked a lengthy debate for the last few months. Normally, you're right that I'd cite H2H as a determining factor. In this case, it was a strange game. TCU controlled the game for 50 minutes. Baylor at times looked over matched. It took some collapse by TCU and some shady officiating for Baylor to win the game on the last play of the game by 3 at home. Using the 3 point home field differential for playing at home, combined with how the game played out, the overwhelming feeling that I had leaving the game was that the two teams are fairly equal.
In my opinion, TCU should have beaten Baylor and lost the game at West Virginia. The results were the reverse of what they should have been. I also think TCU grew from the Baylor game immensely as the defensive collapse put some renewed emphasis on cleaning up the defensive side of their game that was somewhat slipping with the focus on turning around the offensive side of things. Since that game they haven't given up more than 30 points in a game and have returned to looking more like what you'd expect from the TCU defense.
Removing all bias, I do think that TCU is the better team. But the margin isn't huge. Baylor should definitely be ranked ahead of Ohio State and I'm sure that if Baylor somehow managed to also get into the Top 4, Alabama probably wouldn't want to play them. -
Well this thread was as hilarious as I hoped
